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[senaiboy]

Long story short, I'm currently going through my LRM boat Catapults + TAG and dealing ridiculous amount of damage. Any mech heavy or above in my LOS will get killed unless it's Atlas D-DC. Having a friendly ECM near them does not seem to help.

I'm not sure what exactly changed with LRMs in the last patch, but I feel they are getting too strong again. When I can consistently beat an Atlas/Stalker/Cataphract head-on using a Catapult with LRMs + TAG, it doesn't seem right. By reversing/running perpendicular with torso turned, I can keep a reasonable distance while raining LRMs on them, while they need to time their shots to hit me. With TAG +/- Artemis, it's a sure kill unless they run and hide.

PS - my 2 cents of course. Feel free to discuss.

Edited by senaiboy, 29 January 2013 - 02:56 PM.

[Shimmering Sword]

They're not more powerful, ecm has just made everyone assume missiles are useless/rare/etc, standard meta game tend stuff. Your opponents have forgotten over time that standard procedure vs LRMs is to take cover and are instead doing the wrong move and attacking you head on.
Use the LRMs for this effect while you can. Eventually people are going to wise up.

[sycocys]

Have you taken into account the utter lack of AMS being equipped? I think that's a bigger factor.

[DerHuhnTeufel]

I've died multiple times since the last patch from LRMs where I took nothing but center torso and left torso damage, in a small mech no less. It feels like LRMs have a much tighter spread or something, but I haven't tested it.

[Al Bert]

Most people seem to not mount their AMS these days - big fail in my eyes. When you encounter a grouped up team with 2-3 AMS, your LRM would have much less effect. To make it short: i dont think anything really changed except the way players (not) use the existing options.

[Corvus Antaka]

Al Bert, on 30 January 2013 - 12:03 AM, said:

Most people seem to not mount their AMS these days - big fail in my eyes. When you encounter a grouped up team with 2-3 AMS, your LRM would have much less effect. To make it short: i dont think anything really changed except the way players (not) use the existing options.

If AMS worked against SSRMS too things might change, and those Raven 3L and Commando 2D's wouldnt be having everyone for breakfast all the time.

[Gulinborsti]

Al Bert, on 30 January 2013 - 12:03 AM, said:

Most people seem to not mount their AMS these days - big fail in my eyes. When you encounter a grouped up team with 2-3 AMS, your LRM would have much less effect. To make it short: i dont think anything really changed except the way players (not) use the existing options.

This.
LRM are very powerfull when combined with TAG and played well even against teams with ECM support. It seems that people stopped using AMS on their builds relying on ECM and the general lack of LRMs fielded lately. Which has obviously changed as I noticed

[Thorqemada]

TAG only got a range buff...

[Hauser]

Shimmering Sword, on 29 January 2013 - 04:34 PM, said:

They're not more powerful, ecm has just made everyone assume missiles are useless/rare/etc, standard meta game tend stuff. Your opponents have forgotten over time that standard procedure vs LRMs is to take cover and are instead doing the wrong move and attacking you head on.
Use the LRMs for this effect while you can. Eventually people are going to wise up.

Al Bert, on 30 January 2013 - 12:03 AM, said:

Most people seem to not mount their AMS these days - big fail in my eyes. When you encounter a grouped up team with 2-3 AMS, your LRM would have much less effect. To make it short: i dont think anything really changed except the way players (not) use the existing options.

Yup. Lack of AMS is definitely a factor. Building up my Dragons right now and I'm kicking *** with a lousy LRM10 + Tag. Even replaced 1 ton of AC ammo with LRM ammo. Run around like an ***** and never stop launching. Target decay and sensor range also help too.

DerHuhnTeufel, on 29 January 2013 - 04:42 PM, said:

I've died multiple times since the last patch from LRMs where I took nothing but center torso and left torso damage, in a small mech no less. It feels like LRMs have a much tighter spread or something, but I haven't tested it.

While the LRM's are impacting turn your torso. It will spread the damage out better.

[senaiboy]

Yeah I agree the lack of AMS is definitely felt now. Probably because ECM made LRM boats a rarity, that no one equips them anymore. Now that LRMs are making a comeback, it might even out again.

Not sure if it's just me, but when I TAG-ed an enemy when my LRMs are near them, the missiles tend to do a very sharp turn and home in on the target at a faster speed. I still think TAG upped the deadliness of LRMs a notch too high, especially with the longer range. This has made ECM an even more must-have, which is not good.

Edited by senaiboy, 30 January 2013 - 10:34 AM.