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[Sadistic Savior]

I understand the function of case from BT lore...but in this game, what does it actually do? From what I understand, if the ammo explodes, it will still disable your mech anyway.

Does it affect your XP or CBill totals at the end of the combat or something?

[Homeless Bill]

It stops the ammo explosion at the component you placed it in. So, if your left arm has ammo, it explodes, and you have C.A.S.E. in your left torso, the explosion will destroy your left torso, but it won't kill your center torso. C.A.S.E. is essentially worthless when you're running an XL.

[Thorqemada]

Use CASE if you run a Std-engine and store ammo in the L/R Torso.
Any ammo explosion in the L/R Torso will only destroy that specific part and not the Mech (the damage is not transferred to the CT) with a very slight chance to have CASE fail.
Arms stop working if their link to the CT is destroyed when the L/R Torso is blown up.

Do not use CASE if you run a XL-Engine or store no ammo in the L/R Torso.

[Homeless Bill]

Thorqemada, on 28 January 2013 - 02:24 PM, said:

Do not use CASE if you run a XL-Engine or store no ammo in the L/R Torso.

No. If your ammo is in your legs and arms, and you don't have CASE in the corresponding torso, the ammo explosion will just keep going.

[Thorqemada]

Well, if you put Ammo into the legs and the leg blows up you are 99% dead anyway and i would never put ammo into the arms aside of 1 or 2 tons which should be used up at the time you lose an arm.

Edited by Thorqemada, 28 January 2013 - 02:37 PM.

[Homeless Bill]

Thorqemada, on 28 January 2013 - 02:35 PM, said:

Well, if you put Ammo into the legs and the leg blows up you are 99% dead anyway

He speaks the truth. Personally, I never run with CASE. I prefer living on the edge.

Also, in case you wonder how your ammo is being used: http://mwomercs.com/...mmo-being-used/

[Koniving]

Homeless Bill, on 28 January 2013 - 02:05 PM, said:

C.A.S.E. is essentially worthless when you're running an XL.

Disagree here. Case works with XL, I've had ammo explosions in arm and side torso on my Cataphract 4x with my latest bogged down with ammo build, where Betty says "AC-5 ammo destroyed" on side torsos that are raw, and I still have the shoulder and thus my XL engine.

Homeless Bill, on 28 January 2013 - 02:30 PM, said:

No. If your ammo is in your legs and arms, and you don't have CASE in the corresponding torso, the ammo explosion will just keep going.

Very true. In a non-C.A.S.E. dragon with ammo in the arms, I got someone with a laser to strip my armor and then let a spider with 4 MGs blast it to see how long it would take to get a critical hit and ammo explosions.
This was the result. Remember this has been posted before, pre-dating the overheat patch. This was done by ammo explosions caused by MGs. I had some ammo in the center torso too. By the time the explosions were done I had no ammo left.

Edited by Koniving, 28 January 2013 - 02:42 PM.

[Homeless Bill]

Koniving, on 28 January 2013 - 02:41 PM, said:

Disagree here. Case works with XL, I've had ammo explosions in arm and side torso on my Cataphract 4x with my latest bogged down with ammo build, where Betty says "AC-5 ammo destroyed" on side torsos that are raw, and I still have the shoulder and thus my XL engine.

Can anyone verify this? As far as I'm aware, CASE only prevents the ammo explosion from traveling further - not preventing it from doing damage to the torso it's in. Are you sure the ammo explosion just isn't doing enough damage to completely take out your side torso? If it works the way you say, it just became 70% less useless to me.

[Corison]

You were not saved by Case, you were saved by poorly coded ammo explosions. Your ammo went boom and you took about 5 damage. Not the full damage you should have. I have seen AC20 ammo get hit, and it only does 20 damage not the expected 100 for a full ton.


Case - Prevents the damage from transferring to another section. Anything in that section will be destroyed if enough damage was done to destroy it. Case has no other effect.

Case - Is mainly useful when repair costs are a factor, or for non-xl mechs. In those two situations it can be a real life saver. Both for the mech and the bill.

Edited by Corison, 28 January 2013 - 02:48 PM.

[SPencil]

Corison, on 28 January 2013 - 02:47 PM, said:

You were not saved by Case, you were saved by poorly coded ammo explosions. Your ammo went boom and you took about 5 damage. Not the full damage you should have.

Or, he had used most of his ammo already when it went boom?

The use of Case has already been stated, but if you can get away with not using it I would. It's usually safe to store ammo in your legs (unless you're a light), and unless you have hardpoints in them, CT and the head are good places too. Optimally, you have 7 tons & slots for ammo you usually don't have to worry about.

Where you store your ammo depends on the mech you're using. As an example, in my LRM-Stalker I keep some ammo in the arms, simply because no one aims at the arms of a stalker. I haven't yet had the arms on my stalker be torn off, but the RT and LT almost always go if I'm getting pounded.

additional reading: http://mwomercs.com/...mmo-being-used/

[Koniving]

My Cataphract 4x has ammo running in the head, left and right torsos, through the arms, and in both legs. It carries a good 10 tons of ammo in side torsos, case in each, then 2 doubles on each side. It could be that the ammo explosion wasn't enough to destroy the side torso. Not every ammo explosion is fatal (as can be shown from the CASE-less internal damage from the ammo explosions).

Actually, there's lots of recommendations for XL engine users to have CASE in Gauss Rifle builds to protect your XL engine from the rifle exploding. Need to test that.

Edited by Koniving, 28 January 2013 - 08:17 PM.

[Lordred]

I was playing this morning on my Ilya, 7 tons of ammo in my shoulder + CASE + XL.

I was getting beat up and had an ammo explosion. Kept the shoulder and the engine, thanks to CASE, prety sure it works.

[Reishiko]

Koniving, on 28 January 2013 - 08:09 PM, said:

My Cataphract 4x has ammo running in the head, left and right torsos, through the arms, and in both legs. It carries a good 10 tons of ammo in side torsos, case in each, then 2 doubles on each side. It could be that the ammo explosion wasn't enough to destroy the side torso. Not every ammo explosion is fatal (as can be shown from the CASE-less internal damage from the ammo explosions).

Actually, there's lots of recommendations for XL engine users to have CASE in Gauss Rifle builds to protect your XL engine from the rifle exploding. Need to test that.

Yeah cause if that Gauss Rifle explodes in your arm, the resulting damage crosses over to your shoulder where that XL engine is. Considering how little damage it takes to explode that thing, and how big the resulting damage is when the rifle goes up (20 damage!), tossing in CASE isn't such a terrible idea.

[Watchit]

Lordred, on 29 January 2013 - 10:41 AM, said:

I was playing this morning on my Ilya, 7 tons of ammo in my shoulder + CASE + XL.

I was getting beat up and had an ammo explosion. Kept the shoulder and the engine, thanks to CASE, prety sure it works.

You sure you had an ammo explosion? You can have ammo destroyed without going off, it's simply destroyed. CASE does not prevent explosions, it only prevents the spread of an explosion to your CT. So if your ammo really did go off your side torso should have been destroyed.

Edited by Watchit, 29 January 2013 - 11:06 AM.

[Lordred]

Watchit, on 29 January 2013 - 11:04 AM, said:

You sure you had an ammo explosion? You can have ammo destroyed without going off, it's simply destroyed. CASE does not prevent explosions, it only prevents the spread of an explosion to your CT. So if your ammo really did go off your side torso should have been destroyed.

Then that is what happened, thanks for the clarification.