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[Big Bad Wulf]

ICEFANG13, on 31 January 2013 - 03:54 PM, said:

Oh I don't care, SSRMcats are terrible and always have been, packing similar power to a Medium Laser Jenner-F, or even a Jenner-D with 2 SSRM and 4 Medium Lasers, Splatapults are much much worse, but they are much more common.

ECM a fad? Are you saying that you have ever seen a mech that could have ECM not have ECM? ECM is not a mech, it will never be a fad unless it was nerfed to less than balanced. Mechs that can use ECM will continue to use it. Its benefits far outweigh 1.5 tons and 2 slots.

If they are so useful why are we seeing less and less of them?

Actually the answer is yes I do know of people who would not carry an ecm because it does not allow them to sneakup on people. An example would be a recent engagement where we were able to move undetected (2 DDC's w/o ECM and a D) behind an enemy's firing line (They had 6 DDC's with ecm and 2 Stalkers) we came up behind the nearest DDC's and he never knew what hit him... so did the rest of their team.

Now if we had ECM, that Altas would have detected us, alerted the rest of him team mates...

ECM has one major and most of the time fatal flaw... it anounces to your enemy that you are near by.

You see while others complain the rest of us have moved on to develop means to negate if not counter or use its effect to our advantage.

[ICEFANG13]

haha finally, the only disadvantage of ECM, I've never seen anyone else say it before. Congrats.

I'm not complaining because I can't cope or adapt, but I believe ECM does too much for its weight. Don't you? Or do you think BAP is underpowered and needs more?

[Big Bad Wulf]

ICEFANG13, on 31 January 2013 - 05:21 PM, said:

haha finally, the only disadvantage of ECM, I've never seen anyone else say it before. Congrats.

I'm not complaining because I can't cope or adapt, but I believe ECM does too much for its weight. Don't you? Or do you think BAP is underpowered and needs more?

I know everyone on this thread knows about it, but to mention it would go against the very premis of this topic and validate that ECM does have a weakness and is not overpowered.

I have always spoken from actual experience and nothing more. I do not do theoreticals.

I know that it is not your ability to cope or adapt. I have met you more than once in battle and you are a good pilot in your own right.

What I am trying to do here is to draw people to give concrete examples as what Tolkien has done with his study (and I am still in the process of completing my part) and what I have tried to do based on my drop experience, as to point this thread into something constructive which would aid the developers in creating the most awesome game ever and not just a gripe page.

So far very few on this particular thread have offered actual proof to their claims (with the exception of Tolikien), Mostly it's "I am making alot of noise you should pay attention to me" and thus dismissed as ramblings of spoiled little children.

Now my thoughts on BAP, first of all BAP can be carried by any mech therefore anything done to it will skew the game one way or the other. Imagine every one has the ability to detect and target hidden / shutdown mechs. LRM spammers Heaven!!!

Please don't tell me about tactics and so forth because people will take advantage of and exploit / abuse said advantage when or where ever they find it.

What they should have done is make BAP like ECM, limit the mechs who an carry it and give it its full potential. My only gripe with this (both for ECM and BAP if they should do this) is that the present maps we have are too G#DDamn small.

Edited by Marcus Wulf, 31 January 2013 - 07:33 PM.

[Kardos]

light mechs have way too much armour. Takes too much dmg to kill one.

[Fooooo]

To be honest.....I see the same amount of lights I always have.

Sometimes there is 1.

Sometimes 2.

Other times its 3 or 4.

Sometimes its even a pack of 4, (4man all lights) tho I have only really seen this one about 2 or 3 times.




The lag shield is also most definitely still there..., contrary to what some say.....(it did seem to improve after whatever fixes they did , however it is still there).......I have a vid I will be posting in a day or 2 (when I finally get around to uploading it) to show it is still very much there on some people.

It was a single ecm raven doing circles around me with ssrms. (but you already knew this ) I was at full torso twist his mech was drawn to the far left of the cockpit glass. I fire to the full right hand side of my cockpit (I was in a flame) and the marker goes red and he gets dmged.......

It was pretty much impossible for me to get any sort of constant dmg on him at all and after about 2 minutes he finally killed me. ( I even made him get stuck on a building, unloaded 4x LL into his CT, yet almost no dmg was done at all........)

This doesn't happen with every light tho, so either it was his ping / lag, my ping or lag, or something, but it was terrible....just thought I would point that out.

Edited by Fooooo, 01 February 2013 - 07:51 AM.

[Kelpaz]

I for one find it alot more fun to pilot lights now because not every other light is the same run of the mill ECM raven, and if it is I will put myself behind them and follow their back closely.

That is how I learned to survive Streaks, by hugging their backs (retreating is not always an option).
I also noticed many light pilots doing something that you should never do in a light, that is stopping dead in the middle of my crosshairs of an assault mech.
There's been too many light mechs to count that walks up, stops to fire.. I perform an alpha aaand they are smoking on the ground.

In closed beta I got used to dying really quickly in light mechs if I wasn't careful, but back then LRMs and tripping was two things to always think about, and finding that overweight LRM boat hiding in the back XD.

[ohtochooseaname]

Fooooo, on 01 February 2013 - 07:39 AM, said:

The lag shield is also most definitely still there..., contrary to what some say.....(it did seem to improve after whatever fixes they did , however it is still there).......I have a vid I will be posting in a day or 2 (when I finally get around to uploading it) to show it is still very much there on some people.

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This doesn't happen with every light tho, so either it was his ping / lag, my ping or lag, or something, but it was terrible....just thought I would point that out.

If you're really in Australia then then explains it. Lag seems to be based mostly on your own lag, (though I did have to use TAG to lag shoot another raven last night) Hopefully, when they get localized servers and the game gets much more users, that'll fix this issue.