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[ElLocoMarko]

In the past I was very much "LRM are overpowered... EASY BUTTON .. blah blah" mostly because I had been killed by enemies that I hadn't even seen yet. Which is frustrating. But...

Now that Alpine is out there I have tried some LRM configurations... not easy AT ALL.
People who call them the easy button have clearly not actually tried to make them effective in the current environment. On most maps I can get maybe 100 damage (of 324 max) per ton of ammo. For a single LRM15, that is 60 seconds of continuous fire.. effectively 1.6 DPS. For the bulk of the maps I have to be my own spotter which leaves my center torso wide open to sniper fire. Nope, I've got new respect for an LRM pilot who can land them.

[Tesunie]

ElLocoMarko, on 04 March 2013 - 04:10 PM, said:

In the past I was very much "LRM are overpowered... EASY BUTTON .. blah blah" mostly because I had been killed by enemies that I hadn't even seen yet. Which is frustrating. But...

Now that Alpine is out there I have tried some LRM configurations... not easy AT ALL.
People who call them the easy button have clearly not actually tried to make them effective in the current environment. On most maps I can get maybe 100 damage (of 324 max) per ton of ammo. For a single LRM15, that is 60 seconds of continuous fire.. effectively 1.6 DPS. For the bulk of the maps I have to be my own spotter which leaves my center torso wide open to sniper fire. Nope, I've got new respect for an LRM pilot who can land them.

Exactly what I've been saying to those "it's easy mode" people. Looks like I have someone get what I'm saying.

Happy you gave them a try yourself. Shouldn't say how easy it is unless you try it yourself, right?

[Reported for Inappropriate Name]

lrm's require a good sense of timing, reliable locks, and common sense more than sk--well no i guess those things can be considered skill especially since common sense isn't all that common.

[McOrion]

This guide is so good (and I love my Stalker LRM so much) than I translated it for Italian "Mechwarrior Guide" project and Italian forum.

You can use this link if you wish to redirect italian users to translation: http://mwomercs.com/...99uso-corretto/ (I suggest you could link it in first topic before text and I hope other users will translate this in other languages)

Thanks!
McOrion

[Tesunie]

I feel so honored with the responses about this guide. I'm very happy so many people are finding it useful.

Honestly, this guide just came about from me getting tired of hearing "LRMs are skilzles and easymode". I still feel that they can be easy, but they aren't that easy to use at the same time...

[mailin]

One thing that hasn't been mentioned (I don't think) is when you have a lock, before you fire lrms, look at the range to target. Not for the min-max range (which you should be doing before firing evey time), but for the trend. If the target is a light and is moving away rapidly, by the time your lrms get there he may be beyond the maximum range, in which case you've wasted ammo, and possibly given away your position. The same holds true for the minumum range, however, because that distance is so close, I find that to be less of a concern unless the light is heading right for me.

For those who say taking TAG is pointless, I wholeheartedly disagree. I have on occasion seen an ECM scout and been able to paint it with TAG, and keep the tag on long enough for my lrms to dissolve his armor. If even one salvo hits, he is that much closer to no longer being a threat. Also, I don't like having TAG on 24/7. If I am moving with my ECM Atlas, having a TAG on 24/7 is like a beacon that lights can follow in to find us. To each his own on TAG.

[Nightmare1]

Kudos on the guide Tesunie!

[Alaskan Nobody]

Tesunie, on 13 March 2013 - 06:44 PM, said:

Honestly, this guide just came about from me getting tired of hearing "LRMs are skilzles and easymode". I still feel that they can be easy, but they aren't that easy to use at the same time...

Funny how that has never really gone away isn't it?

Even when LRM were one of the 'weakest' and most "worthless" weapons - people would still whine about it.

Perhaps go back and bullet point each item?
There is an option to do that in the text editor, next to the Bold/Italics/Underline set.

[Tesunie]

Strange. I follow my own thread, but I've been getting no notifications people are posting in it...? GAH!

Shar Wolf, on 25 March 2014 - 06:38 PM, said:

Funny how that has never really gone away isn't it?

Even when LRM were one of the 'weakest' and most "worthless" weapons - people would still whine about it.

Perhaps go back and bullet point each item?
There is an option to do that in the text editor, next to the Bold/Italics/Underline set.

It's always there, even when LRMs were considered so bad that "I count them as DCed" by many people's own statements...

I've heard that just about anything (but what the person liked, mind) was skill-less...

Yes. I think I will. (Only thing I don't like about that is it kinda bolds or makes the text more white...)

[Alaskan Nobody]

Tesunie, on 25 March 2014 - 06:48 PM, said:

Yes. I think I will. (Only thing I don't like about that is it kinda bolds or makes the text more white...)

Having it in a big blob is better though?
Could manually point it - but that takes a fair amount for effort.
IE:
1)
2)
Even putting spaces between each point would do a lot to reduce the WOT effect.

Tesunie, on 25 March 2014 - 06:48 PM, said:

Strange. I follow my own thread, but I've been getting no notifications people are posting in it...? GAH!

I have been having similar issues - not with threads I made though....I think?

[Tesunie]

Shar Wolf, on 25 March 2014 - 06:53 PM, said:

Having it in a big blob is better though?
Could manually point it - but that takes a fair amount for effort.
IE:
1)
2)
Even putting spaces between each point would do a lot to reduce the WOT effect.


I have been having similar issues - not with threads I made though....I think?

Fixed. Looks a little nicer now.

Unfollowed and refollowed. I'll see if that works better.

[Dracol]

Testing OP's refollow measures....

"Can you hear me now?"

great guide btw

[Tesunie]

Dracol, on 25 March 2014 - 07:29 PM, said:

Testing OP's refollow measures....

"Can you hear me now?"

great guide btw

IT WORKS!!!! I got the notification, so it worked.

Thanks. Is it really a guide? This was more so just to prove that LRMs do require skill to use really...

[Alaskan Nobody]

It is at least as much a guide as my one for XP mechanics - and for the same reasons.

[Dracol]

It's a guide on how to use em more proficiently.

A list of Tips

Best techniques

A LRM improvement guide

A How To Rain Death on the Enemy Guide

...ya, I say it qualifies as a guide

[Alaskan Nobody]

Dracol, on 25 March 2014 - 08:08 PM, said:

A How To Rain Doom on the Enemy Guide

Fixed that for ya.

LRM do not always equal death - but they are almost always good for doom.

note: great liberties taken with the definition of doom

[Dracol]

Shar Wolf, on 25 March 2014 - 08:11 PM, said:

Fixed that for ya.

LRM do not always equal death - but they are almost always good for doom.

note: great liberties taken with the definition of doom

What? haven't you been reading the forums lately? Them LRMs bring death to everyone!

[Tesunie]

Dracol, on 25 March 2014 - 08:19 PM, said:

What? haven't you been reading the forums lately? Them LRMs bring death to everyone!

Yeah. I know. They are so deadly that my single ALRM20 has been doing less damage than the lighter close range weapons... wait...

[Alaskan Nobody]

Dracol, on 25 March 2014 - 08:19 PM, said:

Haven't you been reading the forums lately?

Yeah, I've been reading - but you can ask around about how much weight I put on what people say in the forums.

[Iceman486]

LRM's don't require skill any idiot can hide behind cover and kill a mech. They aren't designed to be a main use weapon. anyone that boats them and uses them as primary weapons are kdr **** that ruin the game for everyone. Boat lasers and ballistics and see how terrible you really are.