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[LordBraxton]

Some mates of mine swore up and down that weight matching was removed from casual ladder.

Is this true?

If so consider me up in arms etc

[p00k]

then, to arms!

[LordBraxton]

wtf were they thinking??

[Kotsuno]

http://mwomercs.com/...-making-update/

[JayKay17]

Maybe not removed, but with the new elo rating weight has become only one factor in balancing the pilots, which results sometimes inridiculous results, by trying to match players in heavier mechs with a little bit better players in lighter mechs.
I had such a grand match yesterday:
COM, COM, COM, COM, COM, TBT, TBT, AS vs. RV, SDR, HBK, HBK, TBT, TBT CPLT, CTF
Yes you read right 5 ! Commandos on our side, and no, they weren't all 2D (actually only 2)

predictally we got rolled over.
ELO has to improve really fast, at the moment matchmaking is usually far worse than it was before

Edited by JayKay17, 22 February 2013 - 11:55 PM.

[Emeere]

This is getting out of hand, especially paired with the The Cheese-fest. Tonight, me and three members of my unit were dropping in Mediums. Two CN9-A's and two HBK-4G[F]'s. The four on our team were: a YLW, a RVN-4X. a STK-3F and a DRG-1C. We got matched up with two CPLT-A1's, a C1, an Atlas [didn't catch the variant], two Ilya's, and two RVN-3L's. This is unacceptable and needs to be fixed.

[Elkarlo]

For the ones the Devs post is TL;DR:

Fast search and start: Balanced Match.
Long search and start: Unbalanced Match.

The first 90 Seconds the MM tries to make weighted and Skill balanced Matches.
When isn't able the treshhold is increased, which means: After 2 Minutes searching you will
be thrown into an unbalanced Match.
So you get a Match at all.

Edited by Elkarlo, 23 February 2013 - 12:01 AM.

[LordBraxton]

i spent the evening leveling tebuchets with friends, 50 tonners vs atlas\stalker all night

[Suki]

LordBraxton, on 22 February 2013 - 11:28 PM, said:

Some mates of mine swore up and down that weight matching was removed from casual ladder.

Is this true?

If so consider me up in arms etc

Yep, it's true. One epic match my streakcata was the smallest in our team of 5 Atlases and 2 Stalkers. The other team had 1 atlas, 3 ravens, 1 cicada, 2 trebuchets and 1 cataphract.

[One Medic Army]

Last night I was part of a team that outweighed the opposition, by nearly 100tons as I recall.
We got stomped.
Why?

They had a bunch of Raven 3Ls, and then some Cataphracts and an assault or two.
We had a bunch of 50tonners, and a pair of stalkers I think.

[hashinshin]

The problem right now is 50 ton mechs are worth very much less than 35 ton mechs. The 35 ton mechs are worth as much as the 75 ton mechs, and the 100 ton mechs are worth like 150 tons.

[One Medic Army]

hashinshin, on 23 February 2013 - 01:08 AM, said:

The problem right now is 50 ton mechs are worth very much less than 35 ton mechs. The 35 ton mechs are worth as much as the 75 ton mechs, and the 100 ton mechs are worth like 150 tons.

Nah, I'd put Jenners about even with the 50tonners.
Spiders below.
It's the Ravens screwing it up.

[TrickyGilligan]

I don't have any problem with this honestly. Before, when you were class-matched, you were actually disadvantaging your team if you brought anything less than the max weight for the class. Bring an Awesome? Give the the other team an Atlas and a 20 ton advantage on you.

I'm getting much better games than I was before Elo, I can tell you that much.

[J0anna]

TrickyGilligan, on 23 February 2013 - 01:11 AM, said:

I don't have any problem with this honestly. Before, when you were class-matched, you were actually disadvantaging your team if you brought anything less than the max weight for the class. Bring an Awesome? Give the the other team an Atlas and a 20 ton advantage on you.

I'm getting much better games than I was before Elo, I can tell you that much.

I too am getting much closer matches on average after elo, then before. Especially when solo dropping. Weight isn't everything. Yes it's more of a challenge to kill a heavier class mech, but it makes me work harder.

[dario03]

One Medic Army, on 23 February 2013 - 01:10 AM, said:

Nah, I'd put Jenners about even with the 50tonners.
Spiders below.
It's the Ravens screwing it up.

I would say spiders are worth like 15 or 20 with ecm. Jenners are still pretty good they're just at a disadvantage against ecm streak lights or heavies boating streaks. But vs non ecm streak lights they do well and are great at stripping the back armor off a atlas.

[Dukarriope]

is my elo really high or something?

[Steel Will]

Tonnage/class needs to be given just as high match priority as pilot skill. If you're dropping against pilots of equal skill, which is supposed to be the point of Elo, and your mechs are heavily outclassed from the outset, you lose.

[Zylo]

Steel Will, on 23 February 2013 - 01:53 AM, said:

Tonnage/class needs to be given just as high match priority as pilot skill. If you're dropping against pilots of equal skill, which is supposed to be the point of Elo, and your mechs are heavily outclassed from the outset, you lose.

In the random matches this makes sense to have weight matching applied as it was under the old matchmaking system since players don't have full control of each mech on their team. The difference in firepower can sometimes be equal to an additional mech (or more) on the heavier team.

The lighter team can often score an easy cap win but the rewards for this are really bad if the team decides to go for a cap win to make up for random weight mismatch.

In 8-man drops I don't mind the lack of weight matching because each group builds their team and then hits launch.

[Jabilo]

Match making DOES take weight in to account.

Matchmaking is still settling down.

Over time, matches both by skill AND by weight will become more accurate.

That is all.

[Yokaiko]

LordBraxton, on 22 February 2013 - 11:41 PM, said:

wtf were they thinking??

Weight matching wasn't all that to begin with.

By pulling it (or at least not making it a hard rule) they accomplished what eveyone has been screaming about for like 3 months.

No more pug stomps.


With ELO in place they CAN prioritize stacking groups together, the weight matching simply made it LESS likely that a group of all solo droppers got a group of solos droppers there was a 256:1 chance that another four man group had the same class comp.

....and there simply isn't the population to normalize that statistically.

Now granted you do get games where are out weighed (or get Alpine conquest with no lights grrrr) but overall solo dropping is MUCH MUCH better.

Just use your head.