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[renegade mitchell]

Just wondering why the beta questions asked nothing but basic questions. Ones that basically everyone will, in there right mind, will check most of the boxes just to complete the survey and have the best chance to get into beta. Where is the simple question of let's say, "Are you part of the media?", or "What games have you beta tested?" No in deft questions asked. Chime in anyone.

[Michael Fury]

At the begining, the beta is more about making sure the game runs on as diverse a set of hardware as possible. Next few rounds of betas over the next 2 months will be all about game balance's. But the first round.. Hardware.. make it Run.. THEN make it balanced. Normal for alpha's/Beta's.

[Drake Brimstone]

I'm wondering why the asked about a bunch of F2P games that I never even heard of, but not one of the many well known F2P games that I have played were on the list.

[Sesambrot]

They'll have their reasons for asking those questions specifically... not like they where picked randomly from the random question pool
One way or another, the questions they asked will help them get the people they want/need for the beta, and that's all that counts!

Edited by Sesambrot, 26 May 2012 - 05:02 PM.

[Ranek Blackstone]

At this point, the beta is all about getting the client and patches to the player. Can players download the client, patch it up, and connect to the servers? If yes, then how many connections can we keep stable at once? If not, where are the problems?

Fury was only slightly off with his comments on what the beta phases are. Distribute, make it run, debug, balance and release is a rough outline on how betas progress.

[renegade mitchell]

Michael Fury, on 26 May 2012 - 04:50 PM, said:

At the begining, the beta is more about making sure the game runs on as diverse a set of hardware as possible. Next few rounds of betas over the next 2 months will be all about game balance's. But the first round.. Hardware.. make it Run.. THEN make it balanced. Normal for alpha's/Beta's.

I know this, been in plenty of betas, some closed most open. My point is the questions asked here and the lack of.

Sesambrot, on 26 May 2012 - 05:02 PM, said:

They'll have their reasons for asking those questions specifically... not like they where picked randomly from the random question pool
One way or another, the questions they asked will help them get the people they want/need for the beta, and that's all that counts!

But why not ask what prior games I have beta tested? This should be something they would want to know, yes?

[renegade mitchell]

Sesambrot, on 26 May 2012 - 05:02 PM, said:

They'll have their reasons for asking those questions specifically... not like they where picked randomly from the random question pool
One way or another, the questions they asked will help them get the people they want/need for the beta, and that's all that counts!

I played all MW games, and have a decent knowledge of BT. But who is to say some random guy, who has no knowledge of BT or MW click on each box just to get into beta?

Ranek Blackstone, on 26 May 2012 - 05:12 PM, said:

At this point, the beta is all about getting the client and patches to the player. Can players download the client, patch it up, and connect to the servers? If yes, then how many connections can we keep stable at once? If not, where are the problems?

Fury was only slightly off with his comments on what the beta phases are. Distribute, make it run, debug, balance and release is a rough outline on how betas progress.

I know how beta works. Close beta is to get the game to work. Find the game breaking bugs and balance issues. Open beta is more a stress test of the servers, and finding minor bugs that may have past closed beta.

[Sesambrot]

Renegade Mitchell, on 26 May 2012 - 05:15 PM, said:

But why not ask what prior games I have beta tested? This should be something they would want to know, yes?

Why would they care what games you tested before?
It has no meaning to them...
What may be important to them is whether you have actually participated in a beta before, which I believe they actually asked.
Even how many games you tested isn't important, as that tells them nothing about your abilities as a tester.
The only usefull information they can get by asking multiple-choice questions, and without talking to you personally, is whether you have any experience with this at all...

Renegade Mitchell, on 26 May 2012 - 05:22 PM, said:

I played all MW games, and have a decent knowledge of BT. But who is to say some random guy, who has no knowledge of BT or MW click on each box just to get into beta?

Why do you think your knowledge of BT makes you particularily suited to be a beta tester?
Maybe they are even specifically looking for people with few knowledge of BT, there are various reasons this is more likely...

Edited by Sesambrot, 26 May 2012 - 05:28 PM.

[Euphor Kell]

Indeed, they were rather open questions... But they were desiggned with a purpoase in mind.

have you been a part of an beta program? Yep, well, thats all they need to know there, do you play game X online? Well, some of those games may have a resemblence to parts of this game... Whats the use asking if you play shattered galaxy, or shadowops, or something that has no bearing on any part of this game, aside from being MMO (though, curious why nexon's maple story was in there...)
how good is your btech lore? Well, thats easy, they need people from all groups there, because they need to know how each will respond to the game (weather its accessable for people with no btech background, and doesn't stomp all over diehards lore)

the thing I find amusing is that people think saying a true answer will lessen their chances at getting in.
in reality, if you lie, you're only doing harm to PGI by not giving them the cross section of players they need to test the game, (and if I was PGI, I would have put in an anti-donkey voting system, ie: people whoticked every possible box would have their chances lessened)

[renegade mitchell]

Sesambrot, on 26 May 2012 - 05:24 PM, said:

Why would they care what games you tested before?
It has no meaning to them...
What may be important to them is whether you have actually participated in a beta before, which I believe they actually asked.
Even how many games you tested isn't important, as that tells them nothing about your abilities as a tester.
The only usefull information they can get by asking multiple-choice questions, and without talking to you personally, is whether you have any experience with this at all...

Games I testes before means alot. Weather its MMORPG or FPS to an other type game. They would want to know my experience in these games through the years.

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Why do you think your knowledge of BT makes you particularly suited to be a beta tester?
Maybe they are even specifically looking for people with few knowledge of BT, there are various reasons this is more likely...

You miss took my post. I am no BT wizard, just have some knowledge of it. What I was trying to say, is some random gamer seeing the current beta questioner and basically clicking each box just to get in.

My thread was basically to let the Devs know their beta entry and questions were very basic, and should be improved for the next phase.

Edited by Renegade Mitchell, 26 May 2012 - 05:48 PM.

[Mal]

Renegade Mitchell, on 26 May 2012 - 05:44 PM, said:

Games I testes before means alot. Weather its MMORPG or FPS to an other type game. They would want to know.

You miss took my post. I am no BT wizard, just have some knowledge of it. What I was trying to say, is some random gamer seeing the current beta questioner and basically clicking each box just to get in.

My thread was basically to let the Devs know their beta entry and questions were very basic, and should be improved for the next phase.

The type of game, at least in my opinion, has very little to do with your abilities as a beta tester..just knowing you have experience provides them the same level of knowledge about how good of a tester you are..which is to say..none.

Short of PGI trying to "check your references" about past beta tests...there is no way for them to know how good of a tester you were in previous games.

[kyruubi]

ya i have beta tested about 4 games and i was thinkin the same thing people can just lie and say they did and lie on the questions.

[Zeitzef]

They PAY people to come up with these questions, they're there so true testers can answer without E-mailing them a full resume while letting the less expereinced ones answer too, If you're just gonna spam boxes to get into a beta you've probably done it before, and even if you're not posting on the forums you're still a part of stress test and you've still submitted a PC set-up that can run the game.

and if they put in a disclosure agreement with the beta Then media tards will see some time in court. it's a very simple set of questions and it's there so they can find minor information about the people they're recruiting

Edited by Zeitzef, 26 May 2012 - 06:15 PM.

[Tryg]

The questions are simple for a simple reason, they aren't looking at them as a means of who's the most qualified, they're there so they can get a cross-section. They will likely want players from various combinations of experience, ranging from experienced to completely new to this. That doesn't require a lot of in depth data for them to filter it out, since the groups they'll be looking for are generic by nature.

As an example: "Lets take X% who have tested before, Y% who haven't. Of those, split em between who has knowledge of the franchise and who doesn't. That will give us a sampling of how the game functions over a wide spectrum of players."

Details about specific games isn't very relevant. And games they listed could have features in common. Might just have been the first couple they thought up. Odds don't really improve by ticking off every box if this is their mentality about it.

[Sesambrot]

Renegade Mitchell, on 26 May 2012 - 05:44 PM, said:

Games I testes before means alot. Weather its MMORPG or FPS to an other type game. They would want to know my experience in these games through the years.

Do you realise how presumptuous that statement is?
Obviously they don't want/need to know, otherwise they would have asked for that information.
As I, and some others have already pointed out, it doesn't provide them with any relevant information.

Renegade Mitchell, on 26 May 2012 - 05:44 PM, said:

You miss took my post. I am no BT wizard, just have some knowledge of it. What I was trying to say, is some random gamer seeing the current beta questioner and basically clicking each box just to get in.

My thread was basically to let the Devs know their beta entry and questions were very basic, and should be improved for the next phase.

I don't think I mistook your post. If your, or anyones knowledge of BT doesn't have anything to do with your argument, then why did you bring it up in the first place. Whether you intented that or not, your original statement implies that you "know" you have picked the right answers. And picking your answers based on what you think will improve your chances of being invited is just as much as a gamble as answering honestly, no one knows what kind of person they are looking for...

Finally, excuse me, but you're being presumtuous again... Who are you to decide that those questions need to be improved?
Whether the questions they asked will get them the testers they want or not, is their's to decide, not yours just because you weren't invited...