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[Inviticus]

MWHawke, on 01 February 2013 - 05:49 PM, said:

You know, instead of complaining about how PUG drops are so bad, why don't you take charge of the drop and coordinate?

Really?

Maybe because typed communication is not efficient? It's impossible to call targets effectively while also trying to fight at the same time? It's impossible to communicate tactical changes while typing and not diminish yourself while trying to fight.

[Tarman]

Inviticus, on 01 February 2013 - 05:53 PM, said:

Really?

Maybe because typed communication is not efficient? It's impossible to call targets effectively while also trying to fight at the same time? It's impossible to communicate tactical changes while typing and not diminish yourself while trying to fight.

Maybe you're just not talented enough. Don't they still have speed-typing programs?

MAVIS

MAVIS BEACON

WE NEED YOUR SKILLS

[Inviticus]

Tarman, on 01 February 2013 - 05:56 PM, said:

Maybe you're just not talented enough. Don't they still have speed-typing programs?

MAVIS

MAVIS BEACON

WE NEED YOUR SKILLS

Lol whatever you say dude. No amount of "speed typing" is going to come anywhere near as effective as voice communication; a tool PuGs don't have. Trying to hear cats with typed communication is about as flimsy as your strawman.

[MWHawke]

Inviticus, on 01 February 2013 - 05:53 PM, said:

Really?

Maybe because typed communication is not efficient? It's impossible to call targets effectively while also trying to fight at the same time? It's impossible to communicate tactical changes while typing and not diminish yourself while trying to fight.

Umm.. I do that.. It's not that difficult to press 'y' then press 'A' for Alpha, 'B' for Beta. Or, you could just tell your teammates to focus fire before the fight starts?

[Tarman]

Inviticus, on 01 February 2013 - 05:59 PM, said:

Lol whatever you say dude. No amount of "speed typing" is going to come anywhere near as effective as voice communication; a tool PuGs don't have. Trying to hear cats with typed communication is about as flimsy as your strawman.

This isn't a strawman. This is me contributing directly to the noise in the noise-to-signal of all these totally stupid threads this week about OMG PUGS DIE ALREADY combined with the OMG PREEMIES DIE ALREADY threads.

[Texas Merc]

FFS IF you have been playing since CB and you still 4 man m9ore than 8 times a night. grow a pair/pear(i like pears).\\

I know its hard otherwise and you may feel like less of a man. Its OK! I promise.

In your 8 man i bet you have one tard also!

learn to compensate for tards111

anyway tired of seing this same crap in GD
this thread needs to go home!!!!


meanwhile behind the facade of an innocent looking bookstore!


edit: i didnt edit cuz i like gramar nazis!

double edit: I NEED 10 BUX

Edited by Texas Merc, 01 February 2013 - 06:05 PM.

[Shismar]

Tarman, on 01 February 2013 - 05:56 PM, said:

Maybe you're just not talented enough. Don't they still have speed-typing programs?

MAVIS

MAVIS BEACON

WE NEED YOUR SKILLS

Problem is, the chat is horrible primitive in this game. Userchannels, some hotkeys with placeholders and a text macro or two were sufficient to run large scale raids in Everquest with 120+ players back in 1999. To see a game released with comms such as MWO is really depressing. It is as if a decade of MMO gaming just did not happen. /sad

Although I only do it rarely myself, I can only encourage solo players to hop on TS and join a premade. Most likely you'll be surprised that it is by far not as unpleasant and stressful as you thought it is. Folks there are usually fine if you just do a couple games and want to bring a favourite mech. If that group is not, just join another.

[silentD11]

Inviticus, on 01 February 2013 - 05:43 PM, said:

Premades pretty much ruin the game for the casual and new player crowd. I often don't play more than 4 or 5 games at a time and I don't like to get on some voip channel just to leave after a few games. I would much rather be able to drop in, have a few fun and fair games without the constant steam rolling. It's a small wonder the playerbase is not growing like it should.

I for one really want a solo only queue or at least fair matchups. Otherwise, I will end up taking my money elsewhere.

I like the idea of 4mans filling out the 8man queue first. at least then they would know how the rest of us feel.

Most 4 man groups PUG as well. The match making in 8's due to the lack of restrictions is why people avoid it. And most people I do play with in groups do a few matches and then leave. I've played more PUG and more pairs than I have four mans. The real problem is bad PUG players in most cases. I've won PUG matches and lost them, even against groups I know are premades from the same TS channel because I was pugging while in the chat section.

[Shismar]

MWHawke, on 01 February 2013 - 06:00 PM, said:

Umm.. I do that.. It's not that difficult to press 'y' then press 'A' for Alpha, 'B' for Beta. Or, you could just tell your teammates to focus fire before the fight starts?

So why does almost nobody do this? It is not as if most players would not know how to type.

Edit: Oh, and of course that is 90% of the conversation on the typical premade voice com as well. Just without the hassle.

Edited by Shismar, 01 February 2013 - 06:12 PM.

[MWHawke]

Shismar, on 01 February 2013 - 06:11 PM, said:

So why does almost nobody do this? It is not as if most players would not know how to type.

Edit: Oh, and of course that is 90% of the conversation on the typical premade voice com as well. Just without the hassle.

That question has to be posted to the person playing, not to the Premades.

Shismar, on 01 February 2013 - 06:09 PM, said:

Problem is, the chat is horrible primitive in this game. Userchannels, some hotkeys with placeholders and a text macro or two were sufficient to run large scale raids in Everquest with 120+ players back in 1999. To see a game released with comms such as MWO is really depressing. It is as if a decade of MMO gaming just did not happen. /sad

I agree to this. PGI needs to figure out a way to get this fixed. Yes, there are 3rd party comms out there and I use them but for a game in 2012/2013, this is just something that needs to be improved (note, I did not say introduced but I said improved)

[MischiefSC]

I just led a steamroll. Pure pugs on my team. One person came in AFK so it was 7 of us vs 8 of them. River, Assault, we ran to the boat. Lots of communication in chat - the other team was set up for sniping and LRMs while we had only 1 ECM mech and some brawlers. We waited them out patiently and carefully, calling out targets and movement. When the other side tried to flank us to cap we pulled back and cut those three off and destroyed them with focused fire. Then we moved in on the remaining 5, devouring each in turn. Focused fire via chat like we were killing gazelle on the Serengeti.

Perhaps the other side thought we were a premade, I don't know, but we were all pugs - just rolling as a team, communicating in chat and bringing our A game.

It's also possible there was a 4 man premade on the other side. There were 4 PPC snipers on it who stuck together. They certainly all died close to each other and they were pretty freaking accurate.

Teamwork doesn't need teamspeak. It just needs a willingness to work as a team.

[MWHawke]

MischiefSC, on 01 February 2013 - 06:24 PM, said:

I just led a steamroll. Pure pugs on my team. One person came in AFK so it was 7 of us vs 8 of them. River, Assault, we ran to the boat. Lots of communication in chat - the other team was set up for sniping and LRMs while we had only 1 ECM mech and some brawlers. We waited them out patiently and carefully, calling out targets and movement. When the other side tried to flank us to cap we pulled back and cut those three off and destroyed them with focused fire. Then we moved in on the remaining 5, devouring each in turn. Focused fire via chat like we were killing gazelle on the Serengeti.

Perhaps the other side thought we were a premade, I don't know, but we were all pugs - just rolling as a team, communicating in chat and bringing our A game.

It's also possible there was a 4 man premade on the other side. There were 4 PPC snipers on it who stuck together. They certainly all died close to each other and they were pretty freaking accurate.

Teamwork doesn't need teamspeak. It just needs a willingness to work as a team.

Big thumbs up to you!

[Inviticus]

I don't understand why premade players fight tooth and nail against fun and fair games for everyone.

[8Ball-]

How about another mode button? Like the battle type selector it could let you choose No Groups, Random and Groups Only.

[MWHawke]

Inviticus, on 01 February 2013 - 06:29 PM, said:

I don't understand why premade players fight tooth and nail against fun and fair games for everyone.

I play PUGs and we win. How is it not fair?

[xxx WreckinBallRaj xxx]

Mack1, on 01 February 2013 - 05:55 AM, said:

That won't stop PUG stomping by 4 man clan lances. We need what this game has always needed, an option for solo players to group against solo players, if the rest of you want to use VOIP and clan v clan then great but some of us can't and we are the majority, cater for us or your game goes down the toilet basically.

It would help if each team at least had a 4man group on it if one of them does, but that's never the case. It's always 8 pug vs 4 group/4pug, which is barely any better than full pug vs group. They still steamroll you 8-0 or 8-2 with little to no effort. And since 4/5 games have such a score with you on the fail end, it simply isn't fun to play solo. Without that, it isn't fun for most to play at all. I'm not going to go hunt for a clan just so I can enjoy a game. I'd rather just play a different game. Most others will do the same. A game that had a similar issue was Warhammer. It's max tier BGs were nothing but BS premade vs pug, day and night, 24 7, 100% - 0% scores, every game. You know what happened to that game? It tanked in <1 year because its developers refused to do anything about it, along with all the other issues the game had. Sure, people complained about all of them, hoping they'd get fixed so they game could be great, but no one cared, so they left. To this day it serves as a reference for how "not" to make and run a video game, much like Diablo 3, SC2, Old Republic, and Sword of the Stars 2.

Edited by Bluten, 01 February 2013 - 06:47 PM.

[Suki]

Mycrus, on 01 February 2013 - 10:41 AM, said:

bolded and in easy to read sentences because of L2READs...

The OP is a member of one of the biggest Merc units in our timezone...

Just to give you an idea of our size -- we have 425 registered users in our internal forums -AFTER- we culled off inactives...

The OP and ME are PREMADES that have become TIRED of the 4-man EZ SNOOZE mode that has become this game... We don't catch as much 8-man games as we would like - so we PUG.

We PUG because at least it makes it INTERESTING to play.

While PUGging, we have realized that the game is NOT FUN for new players.

Among other issues, 4-man farming lances are the reason why it is not FUN to PUG.

Before JUMPING to conclusions that I can't play PUGs... check out these pure direct fire / joystick played screenie played in SOLO..



WE KNOW HOW TO PLAY... quite OK in fact...

I KNOW EEEEELOOOOW IS COMING!

But in the current state of play ONLY PUGSTOMPERS will rabidly defend their divine right to STOMP!

Looking at Your stats all a can say that i's You're ruining pugplayer experience. Stop playing for 2-3 month already.

Inviticus, on 01 February 2013 - 05:53 PM, said:

Really?

Maybe because typed communication is not efficient? It's impossible to call targets effectively while also trying to fight at the same time? It's impossible to communicate tactical changes while typing and not diminish yourself while trying to fight.

I've seen enough people capable to do it. If it's impossible to you it doesnt mean another can't do it.

[deadeye mcduck]

So OP wants to remove teams from a TEAM game? Might as well add respawns and turn this into Battlefield: Mechwarrior then...

[Galenit]

deadeye mcduck, on 02 February 2013 - 02:44 AM, said:

So OP wants to remove teams from a TEAM game?

Read again ...
The OP wants to remove premadegroups from randomteams.
Premade is the opposite of random, you know.
He thinks, it would be fair, that randomteams fight against randomteams and teams made of premadegroups against there own. No bad puggies for the premades in a premadequeue and no premadepugstomp in a ramdomqueue.

[Joanna Conners]

Vlad Ward, on 31 January 2013 - 09:12 PM, said:

Clearly we should just delete the entire Social tab and friend list functions because camaraderie is toxic to the community.

Quoted for truth.

Galenit, on 02 February 2013 - 05:28 PM, said:

Read again ...
The OP wants to remove premadegroups from randomteams.
Premade is the opposite of random, you know.
He thinks, it would be fair, that randomteams fight against randomteams and teams made of premadegroups against there own. No bad puggies for the premades in a premadequeue and no premadepugstomp in a ramdomqueue.

Tell me another game where this is a problem?