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[Serapth]

PGI, I hope you are paying attention when you run these tournaments.

Last round it was Atlas D-DC's and Raven 3ls out the arse.

This one, with no bracketing, it's DDC's everywhere.

This is a pretty typical round tonight:



7 Atlases, 6 D-DC's and 1 D. Worst part is, it's not even the worse I just wasn't running FRAPs earlier, I saw a match with even more D-DCs. In fact, I don't think I've seen less than a total of 4 in a match tonight.


Please tell me you guys are taking data and have noticed the trend.... last time it was ECM mechs in every category one exists... this time, its the ECM mech in the highest weight category only, due to the nature of the tournament...


'cause you know... ECM might be just a weee little HUGE bit overpowered for you know... 1.5 tons.


Anyone else noticing a massive influx of D-DC's for the tournament, or is it just part of my ongoing Elo hell since the last patch? On the brightside, at least I won this match...

[Vassago Rain]

Serapth, on 08 March 2013 - 07:11 PM, said:

PGI, I hope you are paying attention when you run these tournaments.

Last round it was Atlas D-DC's and Raven 3ls out the arse.

This one, with no bracketing, it's DDC's everywhere.

This is a pretty typical round tonight:



7 Atlases, 6 D-DC's and 1 D. Worst part is, it's not even the worse I just wasn't running FRAPs earlier, I saw a match with even more D-DCs. In fact, I don't think I've seen less than a total of 4 in a match tonight.


Please tell me you guys are taking data and have noticed the trend.... last time it was ECM mechs in every category one exists... this time, its the ECM mech in the highest weight category only, due to the nature of the tournament...


'cause you know... ECM might be just a weee little HUGE bit overpowered for you know... 1.5 tons.


Anyone else noticing a massive influx of D-DC's for the tournament, or is it just part of my ongoing Elo hell since the last patch? On the brightside, at least I won this match...

I've seen an ongoing decrease in them. That's why I'm rarely outside of mine. Not worth going to the ghetto without my own ECM, since the only ECM you get is on terrible lurm atlases, or suicidal ravens.

[One Medic Army]

Vassago Rain, on 08 March 2013 - 07:13 PM, said:

I've seen an ongoing decrease in them. That's why I'm rarely outside of mine. Not worth going to the ghetto without my own ECM, since the only ECM you get is on terrible lurm atlases, or suicidal ravens.

Wasn't your D-DC fitted with a bunch of LRMs last time I ran into you?

[Greyfyl]

The problem is, if you are going to run an Atlas, why on earth would you NOT run a ddc? I kept all 3 of my atlai from levelling, and to be honest, I have almost the exact loadout in all 3, but the ddc has ecm and allows a much greater chance to get into brawler range. Why wouldn't I use it?

ECM adjustments were promised ages ago, most of us have just accepted the bs and move on - which is what PGI wanted in my opinion. It's a horrible component that you will ALWAYS equip in any mech capable of carrying it. That says alot about the lack of balance. Couple that with the fact that the mechs capable of equipping ecm are pretty much the best variant choice anyway and it becomes a no-brainer.

I put this suggestion in the other day for improving the matchmaking:

http://mwomercs.com/...54#entry2015654

At the time I was thinking about suggesting a 2 ecm mech limit as well, but I'm not sure how you would make that work with my proposal.

To be honest, I just recently went back to my ddc because I too was getting tired of consistently having 0 ecm on my team.

[Scrawny Cowboy]

Exact opposite here, today I was the only assault for the team in a match. Last match I was in my Dragon-N1 and we only had an Awesome but four different Cicadas. Different crowds for different ELO's?

[Escef]

What I've been seeing is a large number of Catapults. Especially K2s in various configurations.

[Scrawny Cowboy]

Escef, on 08 March 2013 - 07:40 PM, said:

What I've been seeing is a large number of Catapults. Especially K2s in various configurations.

Ditto.

[p00k]

*ahem*
D > DDC




ok ok besides the occasional fluke round, DDCs are clearly the more popular choice thanks to ECM. but prior to ECM the D seemed to be the more common brawler, and there still are several quite viable D builds out there.

makes for a good brawler
http://mechromancer....0,0,1,1,0,0,0,0
or direct fire support, though the RS is probably a better PPC sniper
http://mechromancer....0,0,1,0,0,0,0,0
and its tubes make it arguably the best lrm atlas (though frankly you're better off taking a stalker if thats what you want)
http://mechromancer....1,0,1,1,0,0,0,0

for other ECM mechs, the 3L raven was arguably the best raven anyways (streaks even without ECM advantage were preferable to more mlas on the 2X thanks to shoddy netcode), similarly with the commando. likewise, the ECM sipder and cicada were among the better variants, though not clearly dominant without their ECM advantage.

but ultimately what i've noticed most has been a rise in LRMs thanks to the new artemis, and PPCs flourishing, with a slight decline in DDCs

[Vassago Rain]

One Medic Army, on 08 March 2013 - 07:20 PM, said:

Wasn't your D-DC fitted with a bunch of LRMs last time I ran into you?

I own multiple DD-C's. The lurm's now my SRM artemis. But yeah, probably. I like to switch things up.

The difference between me and the useless boats is, I get within 400 meters to blow people up in two blasts, max. The other ghetto atlases stand out in the open, waving a dinky TAG flashlight around.

[Tarman]

Escef, on 08 March 2013 - 07:40 PM, said:

What I've been seeing is a large number of Catapults. Especially K2s in various configurations.

Me too, seen back to back to back games with 4 of them on my team, all different dudes each game.

I did just pick up a DDC myself, but I've got a D(F) I need to get leveled up and the K is, well, it's the K. You only buy that one by mistake. Next stop, RS.

[TaintedDoughnut]

Lets just face it. It's not DDC online it is ECM-warrior Online. Whats sad is that single piece of gear has made it impossible for me to actually get new players into the game.

[Kodiak Jorgensson]

no doubt the 7DC is the most popular atlas it defiantly needs to be tweaked and have 1 or 2 modules slots removed and passed to the K Atlas.

[Greyfyl]

Seems to me that I'm doing way more damage with the ddc than any other mech. Granted I haven't been playing my other atlai lately, because there simply is no reason to.

This was my last game tonight in my ddc:




I can consistently get 600-800+ dmg in a ddc, even with bad teammates, and I'm a very average pilot. If I was good I would be getting my kills quicker - and with less dmg.

[Vassago Rain]

Kodiak Jorgensson, on 08 March 2013 - 07:50 PM, said:

no doubt the 7DC is the most popular atlas it defiantly needs to be tweaked and have 1 or 2 modules slots removed and passed to the K Atlas.

The K should be good on its own, without ruining one of few viable mechs the game currently has available.

A good start is to give it two more energy points.

[Mechwarrior Buddah]

because op ecm is fine, "working as intended", and makes the game "more diverse"

One Medic Army, on 08 March 2013 - 07:20 PM, said:

Wasn't your D-DC fitted with a bunch of LRMs last time I ran into you?

OOOOOOOH BURN

[p00k]

One Medic Army, on 08 March 2013 - 07:20 PM, said:

Wasn't your D-DC fitted with a bunch of LRMs last time I ran into you?

hahah it was! i ran into him i think 2 nights ago on caustic, and he was running 2 LLas 3 LRM15s, and was like the 2nd or 3rd to die. from lrm's on my team's side iirc (and a few ppc snipers to boot)

[Mechwarrior Buddah]

The next mech I buy will be a DDC. why? cause Im maxxing out my Atlas and I want to try ECM to see if its as bad as it seems from a LRM players perspective.

Im following my own advice. I always tell ppl to try playing LRMs before they scream and flood the tears on how OP they are so Ill try ECM

[Vassago Rain]

p00k, on 08 March 2013 - 08:09 PM, said:

hahah it was! i ran into him i think 2 nights ago on caustic, and he was running 2 LLas 3 LRM15s, and was like the 2nd or 3rd to die. from lrm's on my team's side iirc (and a few ppc snipers to boot)

I'm sure the ghetto would love it if I stayed far back, armed with twin TAGs, instead of got my ECM in your face.

Oh, maybe I should post some 1200+ damage ones with that build? Or would that be unfair?

[dilluminati]

Apparently this is working as intended.
I suspect that giving ECM to the best variants is a way to encourage people to buy GXP to level the other, ****** by comparison, variants.
They also have the option to make money by releasing ECM heroes but I think they are saving that one for later.

[Serapth]

To make the ECM argument even dumber, they massively buff LRMs in the last patch, so missile strikes on Artemis now all cluster around center torso ( just watch a full life K2 die in two volleys )... making ECM pretty much mandatory.


So LRMs just finally start getting balanced... so they boost them. I am rapidly losing faith in PGI's ability to balance the game... it was a vastly superior game, balance wise, back at the beginning of december. If we could only get the pre-ECM game back, just wtih modern netcode, I would be sooooo happy.