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[Snowhawk]

Some premades are visible now with the new ingame menu. But this method is not very reliable. In the last few games the teams who were making advertising for their clans they also had the same fraction. E.g. if you see 4 founders tags who are all marked as House Steiner there is a high chance that they are a 4 man group. Of course... sometimes it can be just a coicidence.

[MonkeyCheese]

Cordy Ceps, on 04 February 2013 - 06:35 AM, said:

Hello everyone

Regarding the premade pugstomp discussion, Id like to make a simple suggestion for starters:

Make the premades recognizeable! Mark the players with a small L1 (for lance 1) and L2 in the players list before battle.

This way, the other team can see that theyre not against uncoordinated pugs BEFORE they lost 5 mechs to focus fire. The better pugs will be able to adapt their tactics.

Its a good idea and all but I really think that its just going to make more people disconnect at the start of the match when they see "premade" groups on the other team.

It should only be after the match, that way everyone will atleast try during the battle.

[Boogie Man]

Honestly the game has become unplayable unless you are bringing your own 4 man pug stomp preform. These preforms are slowly killing the game because they are making all the casual players disgusted with the team imbalance.

[Tombstoner]

This is exactly what needs to be addressed for the long term health of the game... new and casual player retention.
new players first experience with the games will most likely be with a pug unless a friend tries to suck them in.
you can't limit your player base to people who know about and use 3rd party communication software.
the game must be balanced along lines of a complete noob to the gamer with 35+ years of play time such as myself.
having a premade is a competitive advantage. They need to be separated at least partially from the new and casual player

Your first 50 matches are only against people with <50 matches.people with no clue fighting others with less of a clue
consider it part of the non existing training experience. then they can graduate into the common pool of players.

If you tell people at the beginning of a match who the premades are, it's more likely to increase the number of people who drop out. and reboot with a different mech. People are looking for good games not stomps. The more stomps that occur shortens the interest level of some players. Others live for an unfair advantage and think they are great players and point to the fact that you can do it too, thus it's fair. that doesn't mean it's good for the game.

having my team crushed 5 games in a row within 4 minutes of start is not fun. i don't have time or interest in looking for a TS server. i want to jump in have fun and log off. if TS and premades are required to reach parity to give me a 50/50 chance of winning. somethings wrong with the game and it's not likely to hold my interest for long. Premades in WOT have an almost invisible affect on the game. premades in MWO make the game almost unplayable in a pure PUG

[KuruptU4Fun]

While I'm sure my friends and I don't mind marking ourselves with our "Corps Sign" once it is available to do, so we can contribute to this belief. When you get to the post screen you can look up who killed whom, look thru kill counts and assist counts.

Then taking that information come to the conclusion that you either were or were not a "contributing pilot" to your team. From that point it doesn't really matter if you got pugstomped or not. You can say I did my best in the given situation and lay the blame on your teammates for not doing their part.

Though I agree that info should only be released in the post match screen.

[Hillslam]

http://mwomercs.com/...opped-together/

[chiXnhawk]

OMG CLAN TAGS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[KuruptU4Fun]

Snowhawk, on 05 February 2013 - 02:23 PM, said:

Some premades are visible now with the new ingame menu. But this method is not very reliable. In the last few games the teams who were making advertising for their clans they also had the same fraction. E.g. if you see 4 founders tags who are all marked as House Steiner there is a high chance that they are a 4 man group. Of course... sometimes it can be just a coicidence.

When you meet someone do you directly ask for their political beliefs? What way they prefer to drink a shot of tequila?

Clan tags are simply political ideals in a game, Founders tags are people who bought into a concept. As of this post there are 4 Legendary and 3 Elite Founders tags present, yet there are only 2 sigs noting that they are in a group. How do you lump all of us together as a pre-made group under those conditions?

Edited by KuruptU4Fun, 07 February 2013 - 09:20 AM.

[MaddMaxx]

Snowhawk, on 05 February 2013 - 02:23 PM, said:

Some pre-mades are visible now with the new in game menu. But this method is not very reliable. In the last few games the teams who were making advertising for their clans they also had the same fraction. E.g. if you see 4 founders tags who are all marked as House Steiner there is a high chance that they are a 4 man group. Of course... sometimes it can be just a coincidence.

Got to ask. How can the chance be high but it could also be a coincidence? Would it not be one or the other? I think you have stumbled on to the fundamental issue.

Those who lose a match badly always cry "100% "high" chance", those who lose a tight one may think it was a 4-man and those who win, simply could give a rats pitooty.

Perhaps before any match begins,a check list appears, you will be require to click, either "PUG" or "on a Team". If you Lie the game knows and kicks your lying self to the curb to try again while loading another sucker. We all wait until the survey is properly filled in, everyone knows exactly where they stand, each persons ELO flashes repeatedly and just before the Launch everyone gets one last question.

"Are you sure? It is possible you may still Lose." (Y/N)

Extreme, perhaps, but at least then it will be "FAIR!"

Edited by MaddMaxx, 07 February 2013 - 09:25 AM.

[Snowhawk]

KuruptU4Fun, on 07 February 2013 - 09:19 AM, said:

As of this post there are 4 Legendary and 3 Elite Founders tags present, yet there are only 2 sigs noting that they are in a group. How do you lump all of us together as a pre-made group under those conditions?

Well, I life here in Switzerland and English is not my main language. Maybe I did not explain it corretcly. But let's give an example.
If the match begins and you see 4 house Liao tags it can be a coincidence or it can also be a 4 man group.... But if the "Liaos" are making advertising for their clan (with working homepage) you can be sure that they are premades. So, they were outing themselves as a group.
And I saw other examples of 4 man groups who mentioned that they playing together and usually they all had the same fraction-tag because of their clan/house.

[Ricama]

While I support the idea of showing premades to end the endless 'evil premades ruin the game vs you can't tell and are just using premades as a boogieman' debate once and for all. However in order to keep this from affecting player moral during the match I would only have it show up after the game ends. That way you can't say "oooh they just got scared of the premade and did badly" and you have to stick around to see if you're right about the enemy side having a team or two.

[Greyfyl]

zraven7, on 04 February 2013 - 08:36 AM, said:

You can also ram food in your ear instead of your mouth. People do not do this because it is inefficient and not enjoyable.

I'm sure that made sense to you, but that has to be one of the top 3 worst analogies of the week.

[Joanna Conners]

Boogie Man, on 05 February 2013 - 02:40 PM, said:

Honestly the game has become unplayable unless you are bringing your own 4 man pug stomp preform. These preforms are slowly killing the game because they are making all the casual players disgusted with the team imbalance.

That's right. That's why every other game that exists is ruined.

[KuruptU4Fun]

Snowhawk, on 07 February 2013 - 10:23 AM, said:

Well, I life here in Switzerland and English is not my main language. Maybe I did not explain it corretcly. But let's give an example.
If the match begins and you see 4 house Liao tags it can be a coincidence or it can also be a 4 man group.... But if the "Liaos" are making advertising for their clan (with working homepage) you can be sure that they are premades. So, they were outing themselves as a group.
And I saw other examples of 4 man groups who mentioned that they playing together and usually they all had the same fraction-tag because of their clan/house.

In that situation (clan hiring) I can see your point. But after several matches, I never once saw the 3 other people I was in a team with lined up together, sometimes it would be 2 of our names together, once even 3, but never all four of us.