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[BLUPRNT]

Codejack, on 07 February 2013 - 11:26 AM, said:

The problem is that nothing else works against ECM lights; lasers and ballistics don't hit, SRMs don't register right, and guided missiles don't work at all.

This is exactly the niche that streaks were supposed to fill, but now the only mechs allowed to use them are the 3 ECM mechs that have missile hardpoints.

Problem or challenge? Cause to me they are a challenge to which I have to find the strength and wisdom to overcome as with any challenge in life. A problem in the context you have chosen is to say they cannot be overcome and I should just give up. I killed a number of them and the victory of over coming the challenge or problem is all that much more rewarding.

Thanks PGI for the challenge and not the easy mode!

[Skadi]

Codejack, on 07 February 2013 - 10:11 AM, said:

Well, mostly because I have been waiting 10 years for a new Mechwarrior game and these guys are ****ing all over the franchise, partially because the MMO I have been playing for the last 6 years just died and I have nothing better to do with my spare time than post on the forums while I watch netflix, play guitar, workout, etc.

But mostly it is because this game had such incredible potential back in closed beta and now it is just a sick joke. "OK, everyone stay in a group around the ECM, hope the other team doesn't have as much ECM as we do, get close, and brawl!" There is no strategy; there are no tactics; it has become a slow-moving fast-twitch game, which was never what the franchise was about.

Let's take a different (but related) issue: LRMs are, in fact, too powerful. They tend to either destroy people or, more likely these days, hang as dead weight from mechs whose opponents have more ECM. Either too good or useless, and that's how everything is being "balanced." Why are LRMs not just less useful in general, making Artemis, NARC, TAG, etc extremely powerful, then just have ECM did what it did before, counter Artemis, NARC, and BAP? That would make all those items nice, but not out of proportion and certainly not either almost mandatory (ECM) or completely worthless (BAP, NARC).

Not only is that a simple, elegant solution, it should have been patently obvious to anyone who thought about it for more than 5 seconds, and it was pointed out (originally not by me) way back in closed beta.

In fact, there have been any number of perfectly sound proposed solutions to many problems that still exist, yet PGI refuses to even acknowledge the problem most of the time!

You almost have a point when you mention that there is only so much I can do about it, but I can continue to mock stupidity when I see it.

Oh look it's the village *****

[Eric darkstar Marr]

Narcisoldier, on 07 February 2013 - 09:08 AM, said:

There were no cosmetic items in closed beta.

You are right about that however that statement was directly related to mechs and the MC costs do not try to twist written word.

As to your stomping comment you must have only read one part. I could careless if you are gods gift to MWO and pugstomp all day long everyday if you are ******** about the money you spent move on you got your moneys worth already.

[Codejack]

Allister Rathe, on 07 February 2013 - 11:31 AM, said:

I think they are very aware of the issues that the player base is facing. They just don't have to send you a personal message every time one comes up and say "Don't worry buddy, I've got your back, we're working on it." They might not be addressing the issues at a pace that's acceptable to you and it's entirely your prerogative to be annoyed by the time frame, but to claim that they are completely unaware is a little self centered.

That's not what I'm looking for; what I am looking for is a post saying, "Look, we know ECM does just way too much way too well, but half of its features are going to be removed and the rest toned down significantly." Have they done that? No. They won't even admit that it is a dominant factor in games, now, so how can we expect them to fix a problem that they don't acknowledge to exist?

Allister Rathe, on 07 February 2013 - 11:31 AM, said:

And to say "Lasers and Ballistics don't hit" is a downright fallacy. Netcode might make it harder, but they've made good strides in that department recently and I'm confident they'll iron it out fully in the future. If you have a problem with those "ECM lagshielded, streak heavy lights" then don't drop in a light 'Mech and suddenly there's one less chance for one on the other team!

Yea, except that your odds of being out-ECMed go up if you don't run ECM. As for lasers, ballistics and lagshield, obviously you are one of the fortunate ones who does not seem to have the problem; that's how it works, apparently, because some people claim it's better, others say it's worse. For me, it has gotten worse.

The problem is that I can see my weapon hit, but that doesn't mean that the server actually registered it; it has gotten so bad over the last few patches that I "miss" overheated assault mechs at point blank range, even though I see my lasers and cannon firing straight into his face.

Allister Rathe, on 07 February 2013 - 11:31 AM, said:

I pilot a Spider. When I see those punks, I lure him to my friends, and we tear him apart. If you aren't having fun you don't have to play, and certainly don't have to moan about it.

That's funny; I have a nickname for Spiders in my Commando: "Piñata"

Edited by Codejack, 07 February 2013 - 11:46 AM.

[Ken Fury]

I spend more than 25K MC on Colors and Patterns and will buy more. And so should you! TIA.

[HurlockHolmes]

Codejack, on 07 February 2013 - 11:26 AM, said:

The problem is that nothing else works against ECM lights; lasers and ballistics don't hit, SRMs don't register right, and guided missiles don't work at all.

This is exactly the niche that streaks were supposed to fill, but now the only mechs allowed to use them are the 3 ECM mechs that have missile hardpoints.

It may not have fixed it for you, but the second to last patch they fixed lagshield quite a bit. Meaning, my srms actually tear up lights and actually do damage to them consistently. Just wait it out and I am sure it will get fixed for you too, eventually.

Unless you use a 56k modem or something...

[Allister Rathe]

Oh I run from Commandos too. I know my place as a Spider, and it's not in a light v light fight unless the other guy is severely mauled and I have no armor breaches whatsoever. I'm a harasser, scout, and ECM coverage for my team, and that's how I play him. I have no illusions that I can stand up to your guided missile pain.

I think my biggest point would be I think you have valid concerns, but being so negative doesn't do anyone any favors.

I can understand your frustration with ECM, because while I don't think it's gamebreakingly overpowered it certainly need tweaks beyond the PPC shutdown that's been proposed. It's functionality is simply too strong for the investment for the 'Mech that carries it. Not to mention it nullifies any non ECM 'Mech's ability to carry Streak missiles effectively. I used to run a Centurion 9-D with an LBX, 2 Medium Lasers, and 3 Streaks and played the role of light hunter, hugging around my assaults and scaring them away, but it's kind of a crapshoot because if I don't get an ECM, that's 6.5 tons of my 'Mech that's been entirely nullified.

All that being said, I'm of the opinion that the more I play, the more I test, and the more I can give constructive feedback to the team, the better the game will be.

[Ken Fury]

Thontor, on 07 February 2013 - 11:48 AM, said:

But did you buy "pink"

Well I bought all Colors on Sale, but there was no pink avaible. To my and my fiancee's disappointment. FIX THAT PGI NOWA!

[SixstringSamurai]

I've never once lost a match to ECM. Not a single one. What I have lost to is an organized team that makes use of equipment and skill to out maneuver me and my team and focus fire on my mech. While I do run several ECM mechs I run several non-ECM mechs and it is no easier to win using one over the other. In fact two days ago, in an Awesome 8V armed with two LRM 15s and 4 medium lasers, I had an Atlas D-DC with a brawler load out and ECM sneak up on me. I managed to out maneuver him and fire 8 medium lasers shots, one at a time, into his eye socket and drop him. He even said it was a good fight afterwards. So ECM isn't all powerful.

[SixstringSamurai]

I bought camo pink and camo light pink. My Battle Barbie Atlas is currently wearing them, but yeah it does look kind of not pink to a degree, almost peach or orange kind of hue to it.

[DaZur]

Codejack, on 07 February 2013 - 11:42 AM, said:

That's not what I'm looking for; what I am looking for is a post saying, "Look, we know ECM does just way too much way too well, but half of its features are going to be removed and the rest toned down significantly." Have they done that? No. They won't even admit that it is a dominant factor in games, now, so how can we expect them to fix a problem that they don't acknowledge to exist?

Seriously... That's your metric to qualify whether or not PGI is in any way shape of form addressing your ECM concerns is "Have they publicly proclaimed it busted"?

Sorry bud but that might be the most self-ascended logic I've thus far see on this forum and believe me, you have a lot of serious competition in the "Did he really say that?" category.

Edited by DaZur, 07 February 2013 - 12:28 PM.

[Steven Dixon]

Tank Boy Ken, on 07 February 2013 - 11:53 AM, said:

Well I bought all Colors on Sale, but there was no pink avaible. To my and my fiancee's disappointment. FIX THAT PGI NOWA!

They will put pink on sale once they release the Panther light mech .

To people complaining about ECM and other issues, reread the OPs post and consider it. A reasonable well argued point has weight and is something the devs will consider if you really feel they are ignorant of your side of the argument or simply ignoring you. Rants and complaints just seem like trolling and are often ignored. They are good ways to get high forum posts but not dev attention. Not only is it the nature of the internet, human psychology plays a part as well. If you insult a person (intentionally or not) their internal defense mechanisms will kick in and they will tend to discredit everything you say, if you can try to appeal to the rational side of their brain you might actually get through.

[DaZur]

Thontor, on 07 February 2013 - 11:56 AM, said:

I Forget what they are called.

Ugly?

[Carnivoris]

Here's the plain and simple fact about my time playing MWO. I started in closed beta. There's maybe been a total of 14 days where I have not played the game since. I can't stop. I don't want to stop. MWO is a hell of a lot of fun.

Any time I see people crying about this or that, my only thought is that they don't even deserve to be playing the game. I realize my purpose here. It's a beta test. My job is to find bugs (that DO exist) and report them... not cry about how I'm somehow being treated unfairly. The complainers here are the most petulant, entitled ******** I've ever seen.

You're not playing a completed, released game. You didn't buy things that aren't subject to change. You've invested in a future product. Let's be realistic, sometimes investments don't pan out right way. Sometimes they don't pan out at all. But, usually, give it time and the investment will pay off. You've invested in Mechwarrior Online in the hopes that it one day achieves greatness... one day.

Not now.

People need to stop being the crybabies they're being and realize what sort of investment they've entered. You don't deserve anything. They don't owe you anything. Most of all, there's nothing you can do about it besides have some faith and keep funding their effort.

Personally, I'm eagerly awaiting a payday so that I can buy some MC. I WANT to spend money on MWO so that money can go to continued development. I want to enable PGI to pay their programmers and art team. I want those guys to be able to eat something that isn't ramen noodles (I know how rough that is, guys... I'm living that life right now).

Some people wonder why people don't want in-game chat or why some people don't want to use the industry-standard VoIP solutions readily available to gamers such as Teamspeak. My impression of those people is that they're XBox live kids that just plain don't know any better and are too lazy to figure anything out on their own. For that reason, I don't want in-game chat. The only people using it would be those children who need to go back to XBL.

Mechwarrior Online is a great game, guys. It shows real promise and we're getting lots of good new stuff very soon. If you can't wait another week and a half for a BRAND NEW map that's going to be much larger than what we have now (maybe not during 8v8, but when 12v12 goes in, it'll be huge), you've got issues. Since I've been playing as long as I have and I'm still playing every day, I have no sympathy for you.

I love this game. I love where it's going. The biggest problem with it is the people the OP is talking about who come on here and engage in slanderous posts that do nothing but crowd this forum with negativity and ********. Don't like the game? Don't play it. I know I won't miss you.

[BlackSquirrel]

Codejack, on 07 February 2013 - 07:41 AM, said:

That would be the "we" who gave suggestions and repirted bugs and did everything we could to try to make the game a success, only to watch as PGI has defecated all over it.

Go. Read. Learn.

Funny cause I've seen tons of feedback get implemented. This last patch aside from the hero mech was all things people have been asking for. ( I myself made a couple of threads on the topics of... paint scheme, and the larger energy weapons, and mechs tweaks)

Walla!! What happened this patch? The game has been continually improved upon or tweaked to quash bugs. At this point they need more content. (Which they stated they're working on and give up dates.)

For a guy who doesnt play, and doesn't like the game or company you sure spend a lot of time on the forums for what reason? I use to play eve, and some other MMO's i'm sure as hell not griping on their forums... So what's the motivation here?

Edited by BlackSquirrel, 07 February 2013 - 04:33 PM.

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