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[Poisoner]

Because the Developers absolutely hate the Jenner.

[KuruptU4Fun]

[The Mecha Streisand]

When they had at first wanted to add ECM to the Jenner, and only ditched that idea because of the outrage here on the forums, I have to disagree with your assertion.

Forest Colony pre-ECM was a BLAST in the Jenners. I've been thinking of maybe getting back into a Jenner lately, just because I miss the speed and the ability to get completely submerged on Forest Colony...

[EmeraldSongbird]

Jenner loses against a Raven, big deal, it is good against anything else with an able pilot.

Except Streakcats...

Edited by Doobles, 22 February 2013 - 06:50 AM.

[Roland]

Folks used to say, "The Jenner is so strong because the devs all drive Jenners, and they make their own mechs OP!"

[Mercules]

Roland, on 22 February 2013 - 06:51 AM, said:

Folks used to say, "The Jenner is so strong because the devs all drive Jenners, and they make their own mechs OP!"

True story!

[Bguk]

No Maya Angelou? Disappointed.

[Gamgee]

Doobles, on 22 February 2013 - 06:50 AM, said:

Jenner loses against a Raven, big deal, it is good against anything else with an able pilot.

Except Streakcats...

I can usually kill 1.5 ECM Streak Raven's per match. At the same time. One on one? I usually have the upper hand thanks to my sniper like abilities with my SRM 4x2 + 4 Medium Lasers.

Edit
This was back when they had lag shield too. So I might be able to take on 2 now, but any more is getting dangerous. But if 2 Raven's are contending with me, than it means 2 less people my team has to fight.

Edited by Gamgee, 22 February 2013 - 06:57 AM.

[Voridan Atreides]

Just imagine if the Jenner got ECM and the Raven did not....

[Gamgee]

Voridan Atreides, on 22 February 2013 - 06:56 AM, said:

Just imagine if the Jenner got ECM and the Raven did not....

Voridan Atreides, on 22 February 2013 - 06:56 AM, said:

Just imagine if the Jenner got ECM and the Raven did not....

Completely unfair for the Raven. Even if the Raven and Jenner both had ECM, still completely unfair. That particular model needs the assistance of its ECM for survival.

Typical ECM Raven has an output of about 25 Firepower. I have a lot more than that in my Jenner. I'm usually faster as well. It all comes down to my key ingredient of success, accuracy.

Edited by Gamgee, 22 February 2013 - 07:03 AM.

[DocBach]

The 'Mech itself is fine. The problem is with the Streaks / ECM mechanic PGI is reluctant to change. Every game (especially in duels against lights) becomes an arms race on who can out ECM who to employ streaks. The only way to win it is to bring more ECM than the other guys. ECM is not a skill based system, that's a loadout based system, and the Raven appearing to be "overpowered" is a result of being the only light 'Mech capable of carrying both the ECM suite and Streak missiles.

[EmeraldSongbird]

Gamgee, on 22 February 2013 - 07:00 AM, said:

Completely unfair for the Raven. Even if the Raven and Jenner both had ECM, still completely unfair. That particular model needs the assistance of its ECM for survival.

Typical ECM Raven has an output of about 25 Firepower. I have a lot more than that in my Jenner. I'm usually faster as well. It all comes down to my key ingredient of success, accuracy.

Before ECM the Raven was virtually useless. It was an easier to hit Jenner all in all. Aaaaah the good ol' days

DocBach, on 22 February 2013 - 07:03 AM, said:

and the Raven appearing to be "overpowered" is a result of being the only light 'Mech capable of carrying both the ECM suite and Streak missiles.

Don't forget the Commando 2-D!.

Edited by Doobles, 22 February 2013 - 07:09 AM.

[Tennex]

i don' tthink they play light mechs. or else they'd know how broken ECM sSRM combo is

[Poisoner]

Roland, on 22 February 2013 - 06:51 AM, said:

Folks used to say, "The Jenner is so strong because the devs all drive Jenners, and they make their own mechs OP!"

I remember those closed beta days.

[Joseph Mallan]

Mercules, on 22 February 2013 - 06:53 AM, said:

True story!

Its why the Cicada got ECM right???

[Franchi]

Doobles, on 22 February 2013 - 06:50 AM, said:

Jenner loses against a Raven, big deal, it is good against anything else with an able pilot.

Except Streakcats...

I saw a Streak cat a couple of days ago, he was the last man standing and got trounced by a trashed atlas DDC (25%) and a raven 4x.

[Voridan Atreides]

Gamgee, on 22 February 2013 - 07:00 AM, said:

Completely unfair for the Raven. Even if the Raven and Jenner both had ECM, still completely unfair. That particular model needs the assistance of its ECM for survival.

Typical ECM Raven has an output of about 25 Firepower. I have a lot more than that in my Jenner. I'm usually faster as well. It all comes down to my key ingredient of success, accuracy.

I believe the devs were planning on giving the Jenner ECM but don't quote me on it.

[Mercules]

DocBach, on 22 February 2013 - 07:03 AM, said:

The 'Mech itself is fine. The problem is with the Streaks / ECM mechanic PGI is reluctant to change. Every game (especially in duels against lights) becomes an arms race on who can out ECM who to employ streaks. The only way to win it is to bring more ECM than the other guys. ECM is not a skill based system, that's a loadout based system, and the Raven appearing to be "overpowered" is a result of being the only light 'Mech capable of carrying both the ECM suite and Streak missiles.

Actually... When there is more ECM on the other team I don't cry and sit in a corner with my solitary ECM unit. Instead I stay out of Streak Range, TAG them, and Call in the LRMs and other fire support from teammates. You don't have to have more ECM than the opponent, you just have to be smarter than they are.


Also, the COM-2D takes offense at you thinking the only light mech able to carry ECM and Streaks is the Raven... the Commando actually does it better... it just can't have as many lasers as well as a TAG for when it DOES run into more ECM.

Edited by Mercules, 22 February 2013 - 07:09 AM.

[keith]

rule of 10:P

http://www.design4ma...DFM_article.htm (got to scroll a bit)

y everything works as intended:D

[Joseph Mallan]

Yes Mercules, but you are an exception to the rule. As for the Commando... Its A Lyran Battle Armor and i still laugh at it on the battlefield.