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[Pr8Dator]

Which chassis do you guys think is the most balanced and competitive in this game? After mastering all chassis except for Centurion and Stalker, I must conclude that the Cataphract is the most balanced with the Catapult being a close second... what do you guys think?

[Ravennus]

I could be wrong, and this is just my personal opinion... but in MWO, balanced and competitive seem to be mutually exclusive.
Therefore I cannot answer this poll properly.

[Pr8Dator]

Ravennus, on 13 February 2013 - 09:32 PM, said:

I could be wrong, and this is just my personal opinion... but in MWO, balanced and competitive seem to be mutually exclusive.
Therefore I cannot answer this poll properly.

Any example to support your claim?

[Kaspirikay]

Pr8Dator, on 13 February 2013 - 09:36 PM, said:

Any example to support your claim?

Balanced would mean no cheese. Competitive means cheese only.

[Lord de Seis]

Catapult remains the best mech in my opinion

[Kaspirikay]

Lord de Seis, on 13 February 2013 - 09:39 PM, said:

Catapult remains the best mech in my opinion

yes, because is cute

[Pr8Dator]

Kaspirikay, on 13 February 2013 - 09:37 PM, said:

Balanced would mean no cheese. Competitive means cheese only.

You really think cheese builds are competitive? Try using some of them. In all competitive games, you are competitive only when you are balanced and MWO is no exception if you played it enough, you will know. This will also be more apparent when FFA game mode comes.

Edited by Pr8Dator, 13 February 2013 - 09:42 PM.

[Commander Kobold]

I dunno weren't cheesy bite flocks of ravens+ cheesius maximus (atlas DDC) groups the reasons 8 mans apparently died?

on topic I find the Catapult C1 to be a rather balanced chassis.

Edited by Omni 13, 13 February 2013 - 09:44 PM.

[Kaspirikay]

Pr8Dator, on 13 February 2013 - 09:41 PM, said:

You really think cheese builds are competitive? Try using some of them. In all competitive games, you are competitive only when you are balanced and MWO is no exception if you played it enough, you will know. This will also be more apparent when FFA game mode comes.

I'd like to see an 8v8 that doesn't use either ECM, K2, A1, DDC or 3Ls and call themselves competitive. Why, I was just fighting a premade sync that used LRMs with 2 raven 3Ls with tag and we rolled them. I mean, it wasnt like we were derping around but we had cheese builds on our side.

Of course I was in a 3L killing their ravens first.

[Adridos]

Pr8Dator, on 13 February 2013 - 09:41 PM, said:

You really think cheese builds are competitive? Try using some of them. In all competitive games, you are competitive only when you are balanced and MWO is no exception if you played it enough, you will know. This will also be more apparent when FFA game mode comes.

All heavies are Gausscats, all lights are 6xSL Jenners, definitely no cheese involved...

[Ravennus]

Personally I really enjoy my various Hunchbacks.
I think it has the most variety in it's variants where every one can be designed for a different purpose and be great.
They punch well above their weight, and are fast enough to respond to and get out of trouble.

Just stay away from the 4G, because the 4H is better in every way. (unless you want to try some odd builds with multiple ACs.... but IMHO it makes too many sacrifices to be worthwhile)

So personally, I think the Hunchback is one of the most balanced Chassis.... and very competitive in a PUG environment.

Edited by Ravennus, 13 February 2013 - 10:04 PM.

[Mazzyplz]

how can catapult be the most balanced with such restrictive hardpoints and that glass jaw???
it's like an artillery/missile truck instead of a tank, it packs the biggest punch but also can't take one


imo hunchback is the most balanced with it's good armor, good arsenal, good speed and medium size.


hardpoint wise the most balanced would either be the awesomes (in this instance like a bigger hunchback) or the atlas, good weapons platform without the glass jaw of the CAT

the stalker is a very good mech but it's shortcomings are obvious, turn radius? what's that!!?!

edit: oh and yes to the rest of you the cataphract is very well balanced but just because of how the ballistic/ppc version can fly so well

Edited by Mazzyplz, 13 February 2013 - 10:13 PM.

[One Medic Army]

Balanced Chassis? Cataphract
Competitive Chassis? Catapult

[Vilheim]

I really like my cataphracts, and started liking them more when I really started to get into some mixed arms. My Cataphract 2X Currently has 1 Gauss rifle, 1 ER PPC, and 6 SRMs. 1 of each type, and it's a very fun build to play. So I'm going for Cataphract for most balanced, though centurions also feature a wide variety of builds.

[ownka]

Adridos, on 13 February 2013 - 09:58 PM, said:

All heavies are Gausscats, all lights are 6xSL Jenners, definitely no cheese involved...

I watch this video and it makes me happy. MWO has come so far. Look at the bugs and glitchy tripping in that video!

[Zylo]

Adridos, on 13 February 2013 - 09:58 PM, said:

All heavies are Gausscats, all lights are 6xSL Jenners, definitely no cheese involved...

Back then nearly everything that could run with a Gauss rifle did use a Gauss rifle, I even had 1 on my founders atlas in the round 1 vid but it got destoyed early in the fight.

The gauss rifle was the dominant ballistic weapon at that time and nearly every team was running gauss builds.

[Elkarlo]

As stated the difference between Balanced and Competitive made it unrealistic in this vote.

In competitive play you have specialized Roles, in PuG Play you need balanced Chassi as you can
seldom rely on your Teammates. Now everybody will scream: Go for the Splattapult it is the best Pugging Mech,
and it can be a good Competitive build. Then i have to say that the Splattapult Disqualifies for one Reason:
It runs out of ammo, it rely on Ammo Weapons which it eats like nothing. The C4 is an alternative to it yes, but i prefer a HKB-4SP over this, because he runs 90+ kph. So he can exploit on Speed against almost every enemy, he has enough Punch to kill every Mech out there, he is relativly Cool Running, his Price Tag isn't so high, and he is a great Light Killer.
Only draw Back is that he got relativly short ranges Weapons, which can be adjusted by the good Speed. And it is one of the easiest Mech to play a real beginner Mech. There is the Option for longrange/Shortrange Weapons on this Chassi as well, so big Point on Balance.
How does he stand for Competitiv?
This is much harder, when Matchmaking would be involved the HBK-4SP is the best of its Class, even exeeding the ECM Cicada, as he can easily eat through her, he got enough speed to hunt her and is not overwhelmed by her speed and he got good Weapons to go through the Mech.
The only Mech better then the HBK-4P would be the CN9-AL but thats a thoroughbred
compared to a Workhorse. So Inbalance putt the Centurion out.
In 40% of the Matches the CN9-AL would be better thanks to 2x Llaser, 2M-laser, 2xsrm6, XL Engine (which the HBK simply can't use).

So why didn't i mention Heavy Mechs? Because they can be outmaneuvered easily, even the infamous Splattapult by a Hunchback on Speed, and not seldom the Splattapult is eared before it even had the Chance for a good chance. The HKB with Speedtweak + 250 or greater Engine, is simply to fast for SRM's.

Of course in 8v8 nowadays without drop Limits the Competivity of a Medium is downgraded. But the Centurion is the only Mech i ever achieved a Perfect game, in the HBK 5 kills are not uncommon. The HBK is more solid. So the HBK is simply the best Mech, and a Splattapult runs out of ammo after 4 Kills I still got 4 M-Lasers in the Arms when ammo runs short.

Edited by Elkarlo, 13 February 2013 - 11:44 PM.

[lsp]

Catapult is winning, lol yeah right. It sure is balanced all right, you know with all that boating it does. Voted dragon, because it actually is balanced. And if you suck, you're not going to do well in one. Unlike the cat.

[Teralitha]

Adridos, on 13 February 2013 - 09:58 PM, said:

All heavies are Gausscats, all lights are 6xSL Jenners, definitely no cheese involved...

uh... you were using the cheese builds of the time.... before ECM. they are Old videos....


Anyway, I voted for the dragon as the most balanced chassis. Its impossible to boat anything on it.

Edited by Teralitha, 13 February 2013 - 11:59 PM.

[Suprentus]

In regards to pure balance, the Hunchback 4SP is the most balanced, IMO.

http://mwo.smurfy-ne...555ea9b70df9ff3

This build has a perfect mix of speed, firepower, heat management, and survivability. Not only that, it's incredibly user-friendly. All lasers are arm mounted, and all missiles are torso mounted. It simplifies aiming incredibly.

In fact, its balance and ease of use makes me recommend this build to any pilot who's just starting out. If you're a noob, get that build. If you're not sure where to branch out, it helps in even that. You may decide you have to have faster mechs, more damaging mechs, or tankier mechs. Whichever the case, that build helps at least give you a feel for several varieties before making a decision to be more specialized in any certain area.

Those are my two cents, at least.

Edited by Suprentus, 14 February 2013 - 12:04 AM.