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[Zolthar]

Gregore, on 14 February 2013 - 09:39 AM, said:

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So there is something like 20m cbill wasted.
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PGI says:

Edited by Zolthar, 14 February 2013 - 09:44 AM.

[EmeraldSongbird]

Here is why they won't do it:
If they allow users to buy just the chassis, then no one will buy mechs for MC anymore because they will be so affordable with CBills, which will kill the amount of income PGI is receiving.

That is it, done and done.

PS. Free to play game companies need money to run!
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[80Bit]

The price of mechs and the rate of C-Bill gains are balanced to to set the appropriate free to play progression rate. If they let you buy bare chassis, they would then need to either reduce the rate of C-Bill gain, or raise the price of the base chassis.

At least right now you have the ability to sell equipment you don't need to get some extra C-Bills.

[DaZur]

Gregore, on 14 February 2013 - 09:39 AM, said:

I mean I think I have 4 XL 300 engines now, and I have no need for any of them. So there is something like 20m cbill wasted.

Sell them and you're only out 10m...

If Mechs were only an MC purchase, I would tend to agree with you... Problem is these same Mechs (minus the heroes of coarse).. are also able o be purchased with enough accrued c-bills. Thus the rub... PGI is not going to de-incentify your ability to mitigate a mechanic to expedite owning Mechs faster (money + convenience over time) by lower the investment costs.

While a F2P game yes... PGI does eventually ultimately want your money.

Edit: Double Ninja'd!

Edited by DaZur, 14 February 2013 - 10:01 AM.

[OneEyed Jack]

Zolthar, on 14 February 2013 - 09:24 AM, said:

So?

We have the right to find it irrational to be forced to buy the fully equiped Mech, when we have already an over stock of engines and weapons...

Or at least, make it engine less... I had a tons of STD200 in my inventory...

So sell some of those excess....

It a free-to-play game. They make money to keep providing that game by selling MC. The primary way they sell MC is so people can alleviate the grind. Don't wanna save up for a mech? Buy it with MC. Don't want to buy all your mechs with MC? Buy a Hero and grind money faster. Not fast enough? Buy Premium and make Cb hand over fist. Feel that you should get everything you want, right when you want it, for free? Go tell that momma who coddled you and convinced you you were the center of the universe, because you ain't, and no one else gives a damn.

[sycocys]

I seem to have to post this reply often recently - but when is the last time you went to a car dealership and purchased a car frame? The market just doesn't sell its systems that way because it's a major loss of revenue.

[MGoo]

You buy the mech with standard loadout from the factory that makes them, if YOU want to change the loadout/equipment YOU pay extra...simples.

I personally would love to get just chassis but it wont happen and it shouldnt

[verybad]

smokefield, on 14 February 2013 - 06:07 AM, said:

Why is not an option ? I don't need anything that comes wit it..I want just the chassis. It should be an option. Or - if you want a compromise - make the first chasis fo one class to be bought fully equipeed...and next ones to be available as empty chassis also.

Because #1. PGI doesn't want to sell you only the empty chassis of a mech.

#2 Mech manufacturers in the future also wouldn't want to sell you the empty chassis of a mech.

I guess you're screwed, but really, it makes sense if you think about it.

[Lord Malcom]

Oni Ralas, on 14 February 2013 - 07:43 AM, said:

Only source of MC is from PGI. Making cbills is irrelevant since you can't sell it.... so where is the farming coming in?

Ebay.....farm for chassis and sell for real world cash

[Apoc1138]

Gregore, on 14 February 2013 - 09:00 AM, said:

Because why should I be forced to purchase items I don't want or need?

Seriously, if you are against this then you are the type of customer every retailer loves, the kind that just bends over and takes everything they can give and then thanks them for using lube.

Why would you ever buy something that you have no intention of using, just so you can sell it back for 50% of its cost? You are just throwing away money and wasting your time.

It is like this, you have a mech bay full to the brim with equipment. You want to buy a new mech. The chasis itself costs 1.5m cb. The equipment that comes stock on this chasis costs 6m cb. Now you buy this mech and sell all the equipment. So you shell out 7.5m cb and get back 3m cb. You just paid 4.5m CB for a 1.5m cb chasis.
And then you sit there and say to me, what's wrong with that?
Are you serious? I call troll, because that is the only rational explanation. 0/10

You can buy a naked chassis direct from Ford - for a Mustang this is around $15,000 dollars... a complete mustang starts from $22,000

selling a 2nd hand chassis for 750k cbills is not the same thing as the chassis costing 1.5mill new, which is what you want

if you want to build a car from parts, it costs way more than the cost of buying a complete car, this is pretty universally true of most "things" that you can buy and modify to your own tastes

military contractors will sell you whatever you want... if you buy 10,000 of them

what you are asking for makes no sense either from a developers point of view, or from a real world / fluff point of view, and the developers have already specifically and repeatedly said no

Edited by Apoc1138, 14 February 2013 - 01:30 PM.

[Gregore]

MGoo, on 14 February 2013 - 10:39 AM, said:

You buy the mech with standard loadout from the factory that makes them, if YOU want to change the loadout/equipment YOU pay extra...simples.

I personally would love to get just chassis but it wont happen and it shouldnt

This is it exactly, when I go to buy my car I buy what I want to buy, not what the dealer wants to sell me.

It is not like you go to a dealer and say I want a car with this this and this and the dealer says thats great! but first you have to buy this car with crap crap and more crap, then you can buy this this and this from me and I will put it in for you, then I will buy back crap crap and crap for half of what you paid for it.

It doesn't happen like that, sure there are lots of people who will buy the stock car which is more likely cheaper, and that is fine. But I don't mind paying a little more than the stock price of a car to get what I want in it.

So if a stock mech cost 3m cb but comes with 2m worth of crap that I will have to sell for 1m cb, and then I purchase 3.5m cb worth of stuff to put in it now my 4.5m cb mech has cost me 5.5m cb. which is crap.
I have np paying 4.5m cb up front for what I want in it, but it is ridiculous to expect people to pay for **** they don't want or need.

But tbh honest none of this matters as 90% of the people here will be like PGI is god and what they say is absolutely correct and it does not matter if it is wrong or ridiculous I will continue to stick my nose up their *** because they are allowing me as a consumer to use their product.

I know there is an overwhelming sense of entitlement now a days, but their is also a lack of common sense among consumers who assume that because a company produces a product they like that this company can do whatever they want and gouge their customers as much as they like because look at how awesome their product is (ahem apple). Have some respect for yourselves and don't put up with crap because you think something is shiny and pretty.


And like I said above, I would love to be able to buy chasis (and I am sure people would buy more mechs with MC if they could buy chasis only, instead of having to spend MC on XL engines they never plan on using). They should maybe also think of making MC purchasable upgrades available. IE MC to buy DHS upgrade, or Artemis or the like.

Besides, who actually buys non-hero mechs with MC?


Also to the guy above, I never said I was selling the chasis for 1.5m cb, I said it was worth that much, that is the cost of buying it, the resale would be 750k. don't put your words or thoughts into what I wrote, as I never said that. Read what is there, not what you want to see.

[Corpsecandle]

Zolthar, on 14 February 2013 - 09:24 AM, said:

So?

We have the right to find it irrational to be forced to buy the fully equiped Mech, when we have already an over stock of engines and weapons...

Or at least, make it engine less... I had a tons of STD200 in my inventory...

Oh no, I'd actually love to buy stripped out mechs, just trying to be informative since no one else had brought it up.

[Iwaslost]

Oni Ralas, on 14 February 2013 - 07:43 AM, said:

Only source of MC is from PGI. Making cbills is irrelevant since you can't sell it.... so where is the farming coming in?

Make a new account. Use beginning bonus. Trade mech to main account. Rinse and repeat for GREAT JUSTICE.

[Vapor Trail]

How about this:
You can buy a stripped mech... for more than what it would cost to buy a brand new one, strip it, and sell back the "junk."

Seriously... it's Cbills.

You might be able to make a case for a stripped mech for MC only... but I doubt you'll get more than a 10% discount.

[Bilbo]

Zolthar, on 14 February 2013 - 09:24 AM, said:

So?

We have the right to find it irrational to be forced to buy the fully equiped Mech, when we have already an over stock of engines and weapons...

Or at least, make it engine less... I had a tons of STD200 in my inventory...

If you have them and don't use them, sell them. No more cluttered up inventory. I go through and sell off extra junk a good bit. Helps out when you find yourself low on c-bills. Nets a pretty good chunk of cash.

[smokefield]

Gregore, on 14 February 2013 - 09:39 AM, said:

You know I have no problem buying a fully equipped mech, just let me select the equipment that comes on it.

This way I am not paying for useless items. It is the useless stuff that annoys me.

another good idea for example


or to quote mine ::

Make the first chasssis from a class be bought fully equiped...then the other ones you want to try to have the option to buy them stripped, or to buy them selecting your desired equipment. No one said to be free....but how is it now its pretty mockering

[Volume]

Devs said no.

Not sure why. They gave no answer or reasoning.

[Apoc1138]

Gregore, on 14 February 2013 - 12:08 PM, said:

This is it exactly, when I go to buy my car I buy what I want to buy, not what the dealer wants to sell me.

It is not like you go to a dealer and say I want a car with this this and this and the dealer says thats great! but first you have to buy this car with crap crap and more crap, then you can buy this this and this from me and I will put it in for you, then I will buy back crap crap and crap for half of what you paid for it.

Also to the guy above, I never said I was selling the chasis for 1.5m cb, I said it was worth that much, that is the cost of buying it, the resale would be 750k. don't put your words or thoughts into what I wrote, as I never said that. Read what is there, not what you want to see.

since when can you buy a car from a dealer and specify exactly what you want fitted?
Dare alloys from a ford dealer? I don't think so, you have to buy the stock car with stock wheels and pay a custom shop to fit the custom wheels... 8.4 litre dodge engine in a mustang? nope

and whatever, just because you sell a chassis for 750k also doesn't mean that the chassis is "worth" 1.5 mill
1.5mil might be double what you get if you sell it, and it might be what is left after accounting for selling all the parts at "half price" however there is nothing that says that the parts weren't discounted when you bought them with the mech, and the fact that you are getting "half" of their new value back when you sell them 2nd hand in no way "proves" the price of what a bare chassis would cost

[Inveramsay]

Gregore, on 14 February 2013 - 09:39 AM, said:

I mean I think I have 4 XL 300 engines now, and I have no need for any of them. So there is something like 20m cbill wasted.

Sell two of them, buy a Jenner D and a Jenner F = win

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