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[Zero Neutral]

...please realize that this is not a Table Top clone. Therefore, your argument is pointless. Apples are red but oranges aren't, apples should be more like oranges - gets us nowhere. Almost nothing in this game is identical to Table Top, so why bring it up?

I have seen so many threads about ECM such as, "Table Top this and Table Top that... Angel, Guardian, yada yada." Listen, ECM is what it is. If it's tweaked in the future then that is decided by the design team, not Table Top rules. This holds true for all game design choices. Whether or not the design team is inspired by Table Top is again, their choice.

Obviously all of the systems in this game will adhere to the BT universe, but that does not mean this game will ever be a Table Top clone. Therefore, citing Table Top functionality is totally pointless, and imo, needs to come to an end so that discussions on actual gameplay can begin.

Once the notion of Table Top rules is discarded, then this game can become some thing of its' own. Then, the players can actually talk about how systems work within the game, without some one coming in to the conversation and comparing an apple to an orange.

Abandon the logic that any aspect of this game should mirror Table Top.

[Felicitatem Parco]

This argument is being Jettisoned, as per "Therefore, your argument is pointless."

Such a pivotal statement to base your argument on not only contrasts with the Developers' stance that this game is being heavily influenced by the TT rules, but is also very inflammatory and demeaning.

[Agent 0 Fortune]

Please realize that it is based on the table top game, and PGI has attempted to stick to the TT rules as much as possible without hindering realtime game play. This was all stated in the devblogs.

[Eric darkstar Marr]

Zero Neutral, on 14 February 2013 - 04:30 PM, said:

...please realize that this is not a Table Top clone. Therefore, your argument is pointless. Apples are red but oranges aren't, apples should be more like oranges - gets us nowhere.

Cause your analogy is flawed, please welcome you new overlord the blood red orange.

[coolnames]

While I pretty much agree with you, in defense of people who reference TT : does MWO not attempt to follow TT as closely as possible? Or, I mean, is that not the intent by the devs?

[FerretGR]

...he posts, ironically, in the forums for a game which is a fairly accurate reproduction of the tabletop game which he reviles.

Edited by FerretGR, 14 February 2013 - 04:35 PM.

[Zero Neutral]

Hm, really? ok.

coolnames, on 14 February 2013 - 04:34 PM, said:

While I pretty much agree with you, in defense of people who reference TT : does MWO not attempt to follow TT as closely as possible? Or, I mean, is that not the intent by the devs?

You are right, they do, but how close is up to them. Therefore, speculating on how an item should better reflect TT is going to be their decision based on data collected. So, talking about splitting ECM in to pieces and such, imo, seems like a waste of effort since in the end it is the design team's decision to do so.

IMO, a more productive conversation is about how the current gameplay actually is, not how it should better reflect TT.

Eric darkstar Marr, on 14 February 2013 - 04:34 PM, said:

Cause your analogy is flawed, please welcome you new overlord the blood red orange.
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Lulz.

[Zero Neutral]

Prosperity Park, on 14 February 2013 - 04:33 PM, said:

This argument is being Jettisoned, as per "Therefore, your argument is pointless."

Such a pivotal statement to base your argument on not only contrasts with the Developers' stance that this game is being heavily influenced by the TT rules, but is also very inflammatory and demeaning.

My argument was directed at no one specific person, but at a specific type of logic that is often used by players.

Please reconsider jettisoning an entire thread due to the second sentence of an overall argument, thank you.

[Nekki Basara]

Wow, that was a terrible dogpile if ever I did see one. Nice going addressing the original point guys.

[Ter Ushaka]

[Rannos]

Prosperity Park, on 14 February 2013 - 04:33 PM, said:

This argument is being Jettisoned, as per "Therefore, your argument is pointless."

Such a pivotal statement to base your argument on not only contrasts with the Developers' stance that this game is being heavily influenced by the TT rules, but is also very inflammatory and demeaning.

Too bad he's right, grog. This real time video game is not a turn based board game. The sooner everyone, especially the devs, realize this the better we'll all be.

[moderatepudding]

Rannos, on 14 February 2013 - 07:52 PM, said:

Too bad he's right, grog. This real time video game is not a turn based board game. The sooner everyone, especially the devs, realize this the better we'll all be.

holy FRICK i cannot emptyquote this hard enough

[moderatepudding]

like seriously, tabletop has some seriously stupid stuff

let's not mirror tabletop okay

is that alright with you prosperity

i mean i guess ERPPCs and the like having had their ridiculous heat cut back slightly must just slap your immersion around a ton but i think you can deal

[Ryvucz]

Ter Ushaka, on 14 February 2013 - 05:35 PM, said:

It's a bird, its a.. no wait, got it on the first guess.

[Jalak Bali]

I demand my virtual dice! ROLL FOR INITIATIVE!

Or something. I don't know. I don't play nerd robot table top **** cuz I was busy banging chicks and ****.

[Tetatae Squawkins]

Why are no "because TT and therefore your desire for a good game is pointless" threads here?


Oh that's right. Someone disagrees with the OP and has moderator under his name.

[Willie Sauerland]

Zero Neutral, on 14 February 2013 - 04:30 PM, said:

Abandon the logic that any aspect of this game should mirror Table Top.

Wow, two threads jettisoned in as many days.

Perhaps you should abandon the logic that any aspect of your posts should state views other than your own are wrong...

[Willie Sauerland]

moderatepudding, on 14 February 2013 - 10:16 PM, said:

like seriously, tabletop has some seriously stupid stuff

let's not mirror tabletop okay

is that alright with you prosperity

i mean i guess ERPPCs and the like having had their ridiculous heat cut back slightly must just slap your immersion around a ton but i think you can deal

The nerfed double heat sinks and lack of seeing myself in underwear in the cockpit are killing my immersion...

[Rannos]

I'm always fully immersed because I play MWO in a pool.

[Mike Forst]

A thread!