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[Kylere]

1. This game is in BETA. We can debate the level of beta all day long, but until they identify otherwise I accept it.

2. I don't love listening to people on teamspeak, I want to hear them ONLY in game, and with purpose, without any drama and I am not the only one. Those people are going to be a valid percentage of the user base. PGI needs to know what they experience as well as what the people who have been gaming through the last decade experience.

3. The vast majority of players who have yet to play will join the game as a PUG. "Puggin' ain't easy" is only too true and until that changes the game really is beta and will never be worth considering as viable.

I am entirely a geek for Battletech, I played TT when it was released and have played every game since. So I hate to pick on people with their guilds and such because I understand your fanboism even if I think it is overwrought, BUT! You all really need to tone down your BS. I realize a few heiniehats mouthing off here do not represent the vast majority of you, but you should be ashamed for sharing your guildname with them.

PGI cannot make enough money off of you, they will fail and we will all wait another bloody DECADE to see something. No other mech game exists on the market that is anywhere near this one. Face it, help new people, get off your high horse and consider how your middle-school sync drops and disregard of PUGS are only going to kill the game.

[Zeh]

Kylere, on 15 February 2013 - 11:24 AM, said:

2. I don't love listening to people on teamspeak, I want to hear them ONLY in game, and with purpose, without any drama and I am not the only one. Those people are going to be a valid percentage of the user base. PGI needs to know what they experience as well as what the people who have been gaming through the last decade experience.

Not sure what you're talking about. Have you even TRIED the Comstar TS? The chat is generally: "You guys need a fourth?" "What are you piloting?" "Waiting on you Player46". "Let's move out to E5 and pressure ridge". etc.

Why would you want to hear them only in game, when group composition matters? That's just short-sighted. The majority of the TSers are 30+ as well, I've had exactly *1* experience in 1000+ games where I had to leave my group because of an immature player in TS.

So in short, that's not a valid complaint. You're saying you want something that is already offered - non-dramatic, mature voicechat solely for the purpose of drops.

Secondly, I don't know about other groups, but one of TAW's main focuses in recruiting is helping PUGs learn the teamwork side of the game.

In short, this game wouldn't exist without people of like minds getting together to play either. It would have no future as a Counterstrike, single-player-tossed-on-a-team game.

[Kylere]

Zeh, on 15 February 2013 - 11:35 AM, said:

Not sure what you're talking about. Have you even TRIED the Comstar TS? The chat is generally: "You guys need a fourth?" "What are you piloting?" "Waiting on you Player46". "Let's move out to E5 and pressure ridge". etc.

Why would you want to hear them only in game, when group composition matters? That's just short-sighted. The majority of the TSers are 30+ as well, I've had exactly *1* experience in 1000+ games where I had to leave my group because of an immature player in TS.

So in short, that's not a valid complaint. You're saying you want something that is already offered - non-dramatic, mature voicechat solely for the purpose of drops.

Secondly, I don't know about other groups, but one of TAW's main focuses in recruiting is helping PUGs learn the teamwork side of the game.

In short, this game wouldn't exist without people of like minds getting together to play either. It would have no future as a Counterstrike, single-player-tossed-on-a-team game.

Yes, and if only the junkies like the game it will fail and we will all be playing Mech graphics imposed on bad gaming platforms for another ten years. MWO being a success will alter than landscape significantly. The IP has been made a joke thanks to MS and awful handling by the owners.

I can sense your elite rage, but you know, you cannot spend enough to carry the game yourself. I hopped on the GOBN (Good old boy network ) of the vrious TS servers and each one took less than 15 to have some whiny kid (kids can be 60) talling about their RL. Frankly, about their RL, I do not give a damn,. I limit my caring on RL events to RL people. That doesn't invalidate the fact that it should be an in game feature that connects people on a PUG drop. It does not invalidate the fact that using outside game resources to plug a complete failure of the game is not a solution, it is a band-aid. I should not have to connect to some ones server and give them my IP without legal recourse to smack them around. That old Dell box hooked up to someones DSL line is NOT an option.

[Karbomb]

Kylere, on 15 February 2013 - 02:19 PM, said:

I can sense your elite rage, but you know, you cannot spend enough to carry the game yourself. I hopped on the GOBN (Good old boy network ) of the vrious TS servers and each one took less than 15 to have some whiny kid (kids can be 60) talling about their RL. Frankly, about their RL, I do not give a damn,. I limit my caring on RL events to RL people. That doesn't invalidate the fact that it should be an in game feature that connects people on a PUG drop. It does not invalidate the fact that using outside game resources to plug a complete failure of the game is not a solution, it is a band-aid. I should not have to connect to some ones server and give them my IP without legal recourse to smack them around. That old Dell box hooked up to someones DSL line is NOT an option.

While you are correct in that MWO needs ingame voice chat, you're forgetting what a lot of in game voice chats are like. You'll have spammers and trolls and people talking about their RL stuff just the same. Though in various Teamspeaks you probably won't have spammers or trolls for long without them getting banned.

And I'm fairly certain that the Comstar TeamSpeak servers are hosted professionally, so I'm not sure what basis your fear of someone knowing your IP has.

[BLUPRNT]

Kylere, on 15 February 2013 - 02:19 PM, said:

Yes, and if only the junkies like the game it will fail and we will all be playing Mech graphics imposed on bad gaming platforms for another ten years. MWO being a success will alter than landscape significantly. The IP has been made a joke thanks to MS and awful handling by the owners.

I can sense your elite rage, but you know, you cannot spend enough to carry the game yourself. I hopped on the GOBN (Good old boy network ) of the vrious TS servers and each one took less than 15 to have some whiny kid (kids can be 60) talling about their RL. Frankly, about their RL, I do not give a damn,. I limit my caring on RL events to RL people. That doesn't invalidate the fact that it should be an in game feature that connects people on a PUG drop. It does not invalidate the fact that using outside game resources to plug a complete failure of the game is not a solution, it is a band-aid. I should not have to connect to some ones server and give them my IP without legal recourse to smack them around. That old Dell box hooked up to someones DSL line is NOT an option.

I was well in respect to your original post and thought you may have presented thought well. I'm not here to pick a fight. But I got to admit that right here you lost mine by what reads to me a lack of respect by flaming others. And all he did was give you a respectful response and a friendly invite to a place he believes you might be interested in checking out. I did not see any sense of an elite rage from him. From you, I did.

I will agree PUG's have it tuff. But it can not be blamed on anyone other than onesself for not helping themselves from relieving their own anguish first by using what is available to them for doing so.

[Zylo]

PUG players would get a bit more respect if many of their forum posts didn't look like whining posts and were logical solutions to the problems with matchmaker and other balance problems.

For example matchmaker phase 3 with Elo has already been announced. Posts that are whining about matchmaker balance problems don't help PUG players gain any respect because PGI is already aware of the problem and is working on the fix.

Some PUG players do make logical non-whining posts but these posts are often lost in the spam of various whining posts by other PUG players. The pre-made players see the whining posts more often and draw the conclusion that all PUG players are whiners.

Edited by Zylo, 15 February 2013 - 02:59 PM.

[Wittyname Terribad]

Comstar NA and NGNG TS servers are both great places to find mature players who want to play with other mature players. Silly fun times can be had as well, but if you're sitting in the LFG channel, you won't see much/any of that.

But hey, if you don't want to join and would rather complain about how it's all broken, feel free. Just don't expect much sympathy, especially with the attitude you're projecting from your posts in this thread

[One Medic Army]

Your insinuations that all premades are full of sync-droppers, children, and persons who spew tasteless insults are both unwarranted and unwanted.

[edit] Subject/verb plurality agreement.

Edited by One Medic Army, 15 February 2013 - 02:57 PM.

[Kylere]

Well, in the last several days I have been experiencing sync drops a at rate of one in seven. I have even seen bugged ones with 5-6 players on the opposing team as a result. Any guild doing this is hurting the game. I never said ALL, you took offense and implied that I had. You are aware of what that shows about you psychologically right?

I am sure there are great people out there playing without all the drama. Most of them seem to post in the guides section. But they are not here calling people space-poor, they are not sync dropping or whining about the guy that shoved them into a locker.

But, you described the vast majority perfectly when you say, "children, and persons who spew tasteless insults" and that IS the problem.

[SkkyHigh]

Take your damn sync-dropping whining to the right place!! Blame the MM! I can't count the number of times the server has placed two RANDOM 4 man groups on one side and all pugs on the other. Just last night my group got called for being a sync-dropper just because 6 of the 8 players happen to be from Kurita. Write you damned complaints to PGI and leave the rest of the players alone.

Grow up learn to play with others or play a game where teamwork and communication isnt needed, like tic-tac-toe.

Also I'm sure if ya did a search of the forums you'd see this is the case as well.

Sticks and stones and big words may hurts my ears but man my PPC is gunna put a hole between yours.

[GoManGo]

Zylo, on 15 February 2013 - 02:46 PM, said:

PUG players would get a bit more respect if many of their forum posts didn't look like whining posts and were logical solutions to the problems with matchmaker and other balance problems.

For example matchmaker phase 3 with Elo has already been announced. Posts that are whining about matchmaker balance problems don't help PUG players gain any respect because PGI is already aware of the problem and is working on the fix.

Some PUG players do make logical non-whining posts but these posts are often lost in the spam of various whining posts by other PUG players. The pre-made players see the whining posts more often and draw the conclusion that all PUG players are whiners.

This is total BULLSHITTTT many pug players have come up with great solutions to many things this game has wrong or backwards the problem is (NO ONE AT PGI IS LISTENING).

[NRP]

I really hope ELO matchmaking works. I'm getting tired of all the arguing, elitism, 8-0 steamrolls, etc. I just want to play a match both with and against people near my own skill level. I honestly don't care about any of the other crap.

[Jess Hazen]

What was the purpose of this post?

The game is not hard to become proficient at. There are three things you have to remember. You have two reticules one for both torso mounted weaponry and arm mounted weaponry. Heat to slow the damage you can dish out so aim well and make your shots count. And ranges at which your weapons can do damage. Once you have learned these three basic things you will have become proficient as a pilot. So use your minds and improve your game puggers!

[CG Oglethorpe Kerensky]

I have no respect for a gaggle of people who run around like a herd of cats and can't be bothered to be social enough to team up.

[GoManGo]

CG Oglethorpe Kerensky, on 16 February 2013 - 10:14 AM, said:

I have no respect for a gaggle of people who run around like a herd of cats and can't be bothered to be social enough to team up.

I have none for you eather and none for most premade teams or clans when i went on comms many times there dammmm rude Aholes that only care about there stats and how many poor newbs in trials and pugs they kill.It just got to the point i did not want to hear these Aholes anylonger so i axed comms.Its not some will try comms its the ****** way they treat most new players.To be fair some were real good people to talk too but thats a small minority on comms from what my experiance was.

[Triordinant]

There is no easier or quicker solution than a PUG-only, premade-free queue. ELO still has to be tweaked for months, while a PUG-only queue doesn't have to be. They could have done it months ago but it seems some (not all) premades are afraid to go up only against other premades.

Premades would not have "endure" disorganized PUGs and PUGs couldn't blame "evil sync-dropping premades" for their losses because they know their queue is free of them.

Edited by Triordinant, 16 February 2013 - 10:39 AM.

[Taemien]

The simple fact of the matter is this:

Competitive players WILL keep this game alive. Its what kept MW2, MW3, MW4, and MechCommander alive. League play kept those games going long after their so called expiration date. Competitive players in MWO will be more likely to advance their mechbays (spending MC) and keeping the game going. The casual PUGer is less likely to spend MC on mechbays. They will max out the pilot trees on a few mechs and call it 'good enough' and call it a day. Yeah there's a few here that will say otherwise, but they are the vocal minority. You can't tell me the regular casual PUGer has any aspirations about spending $15 for the ability to get 8 mechs.

However a competitive player (and notice I'm not saying a unit player, because many of them are casual players too), will spend much more on MC especially to unlock those mechbays to get everything they will possibly need. They may not get every mech and variant, but they will get every role of most weight classes. Why? Because league play is a possibility if scrimmage/simulator play is introduced.

So I don't buy this that being 'fair' to PUGs is vital to the game's success. I believe the opposite is true. Playing in premades will show the PUGs what they could be doing. It will give them an incentive to group up with friends and actually lead them to being more competitive and in turn spend more money.

Losing players that own only the default mechbays and just hit launch once in a while is not going to hurt MWO. In fact it will probably help it in the long run. This whole mentality of not keeping score in Dodgeball and giving 2nd through last place a medal for participating maybe what many of you learned in public school. But it doesn't fly here. In MechWarrior there are winners and there are losers.

You have to decide which one you are going to be. You wouldn't go into a match with 10 tons left over for weapons and heatsinks. You wouldn't go in a match with the intent to brawl with LRMs. Why would you go in without a team or voice comms? Its no different than going in with halfass build or not knowing the minimum range of LRMs.

And to those of you who cannot be swayed, I challenge you to man up and put the money where the mouth is. I am calling your bluff. I refuse to do as you ask so you now have one choice. Get together and quit en-mass. Show us how right you are and kill the game by quitting. Show us how wrong we are and just stop playing and we'll see if MWO falls.

Lets see it. Put up, or shut up.

[Skadi]

One Medic Army, on 15 February 2013 - 02:56 PM, said:

Your insinuations that all premades are full of sync-droppers, children, and persons who spew tasteless insults are both unwarranted and unwanted.

[edit] Subject/verb plurality agreement.

A large number of people being accused of pre-made dropping by pugs, actualy arnt in a premade
"THEY HAVE THE SAME ICON, PREMADE" or the best "WTF 3 LEGENDARY FOUNDERS, PRE MADE DOUCHES"
while im sure pugs get rolled by premades and i do agree the two need to be seperated, stop accusing anyone and everyone of being a premade because your paranoid

(not you medic)

[Livewyr]

I treat everyone with a starting level of respect, that includes people in my 4man, pubs, etc..

They can either earn more, or lose respect. Pubs tend to lose respect because they don't pay attention, or my favorite; do the exact opposite, die horribly then call you a noob from spectator while you clean up the rest of the mess.

[Tickdoff Tank]

Respect is earned. I have seen plenty of PUGs who earned my respect, even if I disagree with them on other issues, there are also plenty of dedicated 4 man teams that have earned respect. Just like there are plenty of people in both camps who deserve NO respect.

Replying to helpful suggestions with vitriol or ignorant accusations is an excellent way to move down on the list. It is ok if you disagree with someone and explain your differing point of view. But do it with reason and patience, not attacks and whining.