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[Omigir]

[Onmyoudo]

Did you get some lucky ammo explosions?

I watched a Cicada with 4? Flamers do 86 damage across 4 minutes of constant firing and lose us the game several days ago. Nobody bothered shooting him until the rest of us were dead. So yes, Flamers are still a terrible weapon and you are gimping your team by bringing them.

[Omigir]

Not quite.. kinda a white lie, the Spider only has one flamer, but I used it.. allot.. helps keep things shooting as often as they would other wise have. more or less, the flamer kept me alive more then did damage.

[Soulscour]

Omigir, on 15 February 2013 - 01:29 AM, said:

Not quite.. kinda a white lie, the Spider only has one flamer, but I used it.. allot.. helps keep things shooting as often as they would other wise have. more or less, the flamer kept me alive more then did damage.

Its only a flat increase of 2% heat...

[Norris J Packard]

You're being sarcastic, right?

[Omigir]

Nope! dead serious, Flamers are the best tool out there besides ECM and Tag

[Norris J Packard]

Omigir, on 15 February 2013 - 01:36 AM, said:

Nope! dead serious, Flamers are the best tool out there besides ECM and Tag

I'd love to hear why.

[OneEyed Jack]

They weren't shooting you because they didn't give a damn about your flamer. The only time anyone cares about getting hit with flamers is if they're already right on the shutdown line or if you're blinding them. They probably didn't realize any of the actual damage they were taking was coming from you.

[BritishJesus]

Norris J Packard, on 15 February 2013 - 01:39 AM, said:

I'd love to hear why.

Me too. Please, revel us with your tales of the flamer.

[Cest7]

500dmg with flamers?!

WHAT!?

[Omigir]

Norris J Packard, on 15 February 2013 - 01:39 AM, said:

I'd love to hear why.

Flamer prevents people form bleeding off heat, unless they stop shooting, they will remain hot and every time they do shoot, they will just move closer to shutting down. I.E. they do less damage, meaning I take less damage Meaning I live longer. Longer i live, more i get to shoot, meaning more damage I do.

OneEyed Jack, on 15 February 2013 - 01:42 AM, said:

They weren't shooting you because they didn't give a damn about your flamer. The only time anyone cares about getting hit with flamers is if they're already right on the shutdown line or if you're blinding them. They probably didn't realize any of the actual damage they were taking was coming from you.

Its kinda hard to miss 500 :\ particularly when you are one of 3 left alive.

[Apoc1138]

Cest7, on 15 February 2013 - 01:47 AM, said:

500dmg with flamers?!

WHAT!?

no, 500 damage with other weapons... the flamer he says is a decent tool for distracting and confusing whilst using other weapons (without specifying what weapons)

even so, 500 damage out of a spider is pretty good going, whatever the loadout

[Kotsuno]

OP! Needs nerf.

[STRONG LIKE BEAR]

I remember when I was new

[Norris J Packard]

Omigir, on 15 February 2013 - 01:49 AM, said:

Flamer prevents people form bleeding off heat, unless they stop shooting, they will remain hot and every time they do shoot, they will just move closer to shutting down. I.E. they do less damage, meaning I take less damage Meaning I live longer. Longer i live, more i get to shoot, meaning more damage I do.

I hate to tell you this, but no, they don't. That is simply one of the hypothesized uses for them that Paul is considering adding down the road. Currently they only raise the ambient temperature of a Mech by an almost insignificant amount while heating yours up far faster than it would normally.

[Omigir]

STRONG LIKE BEAR, on 15 February 2013 - 01:51 AM, said:

I remember when I was new

I remember when you were new too.. back.. 84 posts ago.. seems like it was just yesterday..

Norris J Packard, on 15 February 2013 - 01:52 AM, said:

I hate to tell you this, but no, they don't. That is simply one of the hypothesized uses for them that Paul is considering adding down the road. Currently they only raise the ambient temperature of a Mech by an almost insignificant amount while heating yours up far faster than it would normally.

you got the numbers? I have several shut down atlases that say otherwise. :\
and yes, i Know what is being planned for flamers and MG's. does not mean i still am not getting a hell of a good use out of them now. Would not have been able to do that 500 dmg without the flamer.

[Norris J Packard]

Omigir, on 15 February 2013 - 01:54 AM, said:

you got the numbers? I have several shut down atlases that say otherwise. :\
and yes, i Know what is being planned for flamers and MG's. does not mean i still am not getting a hell of a good use out of them now. Would not have been able to do that 500 dmg without the flamer.

Yes I do, go ahead and check Ohm's thread.

In addition to this, those guys overheated themselves, you didn't do anything. It's pretty easy to do, especially with the shoddy Mechbuilding that the majority of the playerbase participates in. Blows my mind that they somehow create Mechs worse than their stock loadouts.

[Omigir]

Norris J Packard, on 15 February 2013 - 01:56 AM, said:

Yes I do, go ahead and check Ohm's thread.

In addition to this, those guys overheated themselves, you didn't do anything. It's pretty easy to do, especially with the shoddy Mechbuilding that the majority of the playerbase participates in. Blows my mind that they somehow create Mechs worse than their stock loadouts.

I have been at this since closed beta, and I have been runnings lights since, and one thing i can say for sure, mechs do not shut down as often when im pestering them, as when they do with a flammer on them. even have used flamers on my own guys when i have dropped against them and they have reports that back this up.
They run hotter with flamers on them and have a harder time with heat management. These are on proven builds that most people use. Only place this does not work out, is on any map with snow.

But in the end, i guess it comes down to personal opinion on if its good or not. some people like MG's after all.

Edited by Omigir, 15 February 2013 - 02:05 AM.

[Norris J Packard]

Omigir, on 15 February 2013 - 02:01 AM, said:

I have been at this since closed beta, and I have been runnings lights since, and one thing i can say for sure, mechs do not shut down as often when im pestering them, as when they do with a flammer on them. even have used flamers on my own guys when i have dropped against them and they have reports that back this up.
They run hotter with flamers on them and have a harder time with heat management. These are on proven builds that most people use. Only place this does not work out, is on any map with snow.

But in the end, i guess it comes down to personal opinion on if its good or not. some people like MG's after all.

Would you like to drop with me right now, I will let you use them on me and prove that I still cooldown.

[Ter Ushaka]

Everyone knows flamers are OP: