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#1 MustrumRidcully

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Posted 19 February 2013 - 09:41 AM

I am aware that Aliens exist in some Battletech novels, but they are unimportant and can be lucky if they make it into official canon. There is probably a good reason why BT has no aliens.

Anyway, here's an idea for a timeline where aliens do exist - and are dragged into the politics of the Inner Sphere, turning the humans into invaders. (E.g. a reverse Clan Invasion with aliens):



It is a few centuries after the Dark Age. The disruption of the HPG Network has changed a lot, but some things stayed the same.

The Houses still exist, though some split apart, somet o disappear, some to fusion with other splinters of other houses, some remaining stable. The Clans still exist, with similar changes - maybe the most important change is that it's definitely no longer Clan vs Houses.

These groups have formed larger, governing bodies.
The Republic of the Sphere reformed, smaller now, more aggressive then before, but still a democracy. Other sets of alliances are build around former Houses. There is the Periphery Union, something akin to the European Union or the African Union. Several smaller Kingdoms spanning multiple stars or just a single star system.
The Star League is now an organization similar to Old Earth's United Nations.Not a government, but a way for governments to work out agreements and resolve conflicts.

And there are many of these conflicts. After centuries of war, resources are harder to acquire then ever. Everyone is looking for untouched worlds with sufficient resources. Old rivalries have been maintained.
The Republic has recently annexed several minor worlds, supposedly for their own protection from raiders, and moved against minor kingdoms to "liberate" the people inside them. Its neighbours are worried. But the Republic is not the only one acting in this manner.
Several Clans are disappointed with their state, they wish to regain control and influence. Other Clans oppose, and are happy witht he status quo. The Houses vie for control over several worlds with economical manipulation, but it's only a matter of time one of them loses too much to not decide to take up arms.

So far, everything is in a state of proxy wars. A Cold War, if you will. But it's only a question of time until something flares up that will not be local anymore.

What also changed is Comstar. The great HPG Network failure also lead to significant changes for ComStar. THeir failure to avoid or deal with this catastrophe made them lose a lot of power, and so it brough apart in smaller groups. ComStar still exists, but it's no longer the only player on the block. For example, there is Hyperstar and Stellarwave, two rivaling "companies", so tos peak, but also smaller players. The change wasn'T all bad - being forced to deal with the core of Comstar powerbase, Comstar and its successors became innovate again. HPG devices became much smaller than ever before, with more efficiencies. Many major planets can now afford to be continually networked with each other, with unique opportunities for trade and
espionage.

A major advancement has also happened in space travel. The newest jump ships can jump more often and further than ever before. Smaller ships then ever before can now perform jumps, opening up new opportunities for even small scale traders to roam the galaxy.

In this time, something new is at the horizon. Human explorers have now reached far beyond the Inner Sphere or the Periphery, and discovered intelligent alien life. Very few know of this now. But plans have been set in motion to use this new discovery.
Comstar is manipulating events again. They do not wish another war in the Inner Sphere. They fear that things would turn uglier than ever now, especially since they do not control interstellar communication anymore.
They have set a few human colonies at the borders of alien space - and are working to provoke the aliens to an attack - an attack vicious and brutal enough to enrage every citizen in the Sphere. An attack that they will declare as a clear sign of an impending invasion, an invasion that will unite the Sphere against a common enemy. And not just that - a war entirely inside Comstars sphere of influence, a war were they can gain first access to new technology and gain technological superiority once more.


The Aliens themselves are not all that they seem to be. ComStar learned a lot, but not enough. They have indeed technology that the Sphere has never seen. Not necessarily superior, but ... different. They aren't just one alien race - they are several. Not exactly united, but also at peace for now.
The technology ComStar is interested in are their Jump Gates - permanent jump points between two locations on planetary surfaces, used to transport people and goods - and troops, of course. ComStar hopes this technology will finally give it an advantage over its competitors, if it can capture some of these. What they didn't see yet is that this is not the only superior jump technology the aliens have - mechs with jump capability is another.


If the Inner Sphere really decides to fight these aliens, it will be a tough fight.
And is ComStar's belief that it will unite the Sphere true in the first place?
How will these Aliens react? Will they unite, or will they split apart?

Edited by MustrumRidcully, 20 February 2013 - 05:42 AM.


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Posted 19 February 2013 - 10:47 AM

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1984, it has remained a setting in which only one sapient, intelligent species—humanity—has existed. While the novel Far Country, published in 1993, might appear as an exception to this rule, the sapient aliens presented therein— the bird-like Tetatae—hailed from a world so removed from the rest of the known setting that their existence is simply not known to mankind.

The In-Character Perspective:
For the denizens of the setting, this very lack of sufficiently intelligent alien species is what has given humanity the freedom to settle the thousands of worlds it now calls home. Yet the discovery of alien animal life forms has always reminded mankind that there are other living beings in the universe—bringing with it the unspoken fear that, one day, humanity may yet encounter a new threat in the form of a hostile, alien, space-faring intelligence. Indeed, when the Clans invaded the Inner Sphere in 3050, even the leaders of ComStar feared these strange warriors with their advanced ’Mechs, armor-hardened infantry, and peculiar tactics were an alien species intent on conquest of human worlds. Though this fear quickly subsided, it was a hint of the panic
that a real alien species, capable of threatening mankind, might bring to bear.

The fear of encountering a sapient aliens remains unspoken even today because, quite simply, humanity has long recognized the danger man already represents to himself, and most tend to presume that any intelligent beings he meets will react to him with violence. After all, should a space-faring non-human race exist, what would it think of the beings who constantly fight one another for glory and power? What would humanity think, knowing that another race (or more) exists out there to compete with
for worlds and resources? And what—oh, what indeed?— would humanity do, if this hypothetical intelligent race proved superior to mankind in any way when someone inevitably starts the war between them?


The Out-of-Character Perspective:
From an out-of-character perspective, the lack of intelligent aliens in the universe not only makes BattleTech somewhat distinct in modern science fiction, it emphasizes the story’s primary focus on the conflicts between mankind and itself. Even beneath their strange customs and eugenics, the Clans—once thought to be non-human sapiens themselves—proved to be just as complex and human as those of the Inner Sphere and Periphery states.

Players interested in considering the addition of intelligent aliens to the BattleTech setting would do well to consider what, if anything, such aliens might bring to the game. Developmentally, such aliens would fall into one of three categories: Aliens who are superior to humanity; Aliens who are inferior to humanity; and Aliens who are somehow—miraculously— humanity’s equal.

If the aliens are intelligent and superior to humankind, their technology, tactics, and capabilities would easily endanger the entire BattleTech setting. Humankind might try to rally against them, but a sufficiently advanced species would only succeed in exterminating the warlike humans if it came to blows. Should the aliens choose to avoid war, they are likely easily capable of simply staying away from the humans entirely; galaxies are big places, after all, and an inferior human species leaves little reason for dialogue.

If the aliens are intelligent and inferior to humans, the humans will have found—for all intents and purposes—a weaker faction to exploit and enslave. The alien technology and culture would become another victim of humanity, and their extinction over time would likely be assured unless some human faction took enough pity upon them to expend resources toward their salvation. Yet, in the end, the beings would still be mankind’s inferior, innocent bystanders in a hostile universe dominated by humanity, with little reason to keep them around.

If the aliens are on humanity’s level, the question ultimately arises that they bring even less to the game table. Should an intelligent alien species be found that is humanity’s equal and a dialogue opened up somehow, what differences do these beings bring that other human factions do not? Make them too alien, and they cannot work with humanity. Make them too similar, and human antagonists do the job just as well. And should war erupt between the species, there would, again, be little to add that does not already exist in the human-centric BattleTech universe.

It is for these reasons (and more) that those of us who develop and write the sourcebooks and stories of the official BattleTech canon. While gamemasters and players are encouraged to explore this and other concepts in the course of their adventures, these are the reasons the canonical BattleTech setting is unlikely to ever encounter a truly intelligent and sapient intelligent species.

Excerpt from A Time of War: Compaion page 109


This is the closest thing in BT you will find that talk about intellent life:

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Neopithecanthropus
Home world: Campoleone
Preferred environment: Forests, Grasslands
The neopithecanthropus, or “new ape-man,” is a highly intelligent hominid species that seems to be well on its way to human-like sapience (an exceedingly rare trait, recognized in only seventy or so extraterrestrial creatures discovered to date— though many scientists have argued for the inclusion of hundreds more). Though the term has been borrowed to describe similar creatures found elsewhere (much like how “megasaur” now broadly defines a class of creature rather than any one particular animal), the species actually known as neopithecanthropus is native to Campoleone. There, the creatures live in extended family groups that survive by hunting and gathering. Neopithecanthropus groups shun human contact, and thus little is known about the reclusive species. Observations of neopithecanthropus groups have confirmed that these creatures use a primitive language and possess the ability to fashion crude tools and weapons, and have even developed a kind of rudimentary art form similar to the cave paintings of humanity’s ancient ancestors.



Rumors persist of neopithecanthropus groups attacking isolated human settlements, and carrying off captives on occasion, but none of these stories have ever been confirmed. More recently, there have been reports of a group of former Coterie followers attempting to educate and “uplift” the neopithecanthropus. There have been no reports of success in these endeavors, which is probably for the best, considering the fact that the Campoleone government considers human interference in the creatures’ natural enclaves and development a criminal offense.

Excerpt from A Time of War: Compaion page 126 - 127

Edited by Skylarr, 19 February 2013 - 10:59 AM.


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Posted 19 February 2013 - 10:52 AM

Aliens are not part of the BattleTech realm. Bring in aliens would only ruin the idea that Humans are alone in our galaxy. Many scientist do believe that there is other intellegent life out there, but, We may never ever come in contact with during our existance. At least not until we are able to move from Galaxy to Galaxy freely. then what? You know the way humans are. We would either avoid or conquer them.

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Posted 19 February 2013 - 11:09 AM

View PostSkylarr, on 19 February 2013 - 10:47 AM, said:


This is the closest thing in BT you will find that talk about intellent life:


WRONG! You seem to have skipped over the Tetatae. Shameful. Absolutely DESPICABLE.

http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Tetatae

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Posted 19 February 2013 - 11:32 AM

View PostMederlock, on 19 February 2013 - 11:09 AM, said:


WRONG! You seem to have skipped over the Tetatae. Shameful. Absolutely DESPICABLE.

http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Tetatae

I forgot about them sorry.


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Throughout the many novels, sourcebooks and other BattleTech publications there are numerous references to alien flora and fauna on various worlds, including various types of alien cattle, pets, fruits, produce or even diseases; however, they typically only provide background flair and do not play any significant role. BattleTech remains dominated by humans. Even the Clans, introduced as mysterious invaders, soon turned out to be humans whose culture had evolved differently over the past centuries.


There are only two known instances where sentient alien lifeforms are mentioned:

Edited by Skylarr, 19 February 2013 - 11:38 AM.


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Posted 19 February 2013 - 11:33 AM

In the battletech universe, the big powers at least think about possible alien attacks. Comstars Explorer Corps is not only searching for old starleague outposts and signs of the lost SLDF, they are also looking for possible threats from not human sources.
Also, some of the (warden) clans see themselfes as humanitys only rightfull army (as descendants of the SLDF), to protect the Inner Sphere from (not specified) outer threats.

It´s somehow like in Frank Herberts Dune universe, where nuclear weapons are kept for possible defend against aliens, even if there never were signs of them found in thousands of years.

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Posted 19 February 2013 - 02:12 PM

The fact that there are hardly aliens in the BattleTech universe sets it apart from other sci-fi franchises. I like this idea. I think it fits better for BT when there are only few aliens. Better would be none but it's too late for that. :D
But i like also Aliens, like in Mass Effect.
Although I must admit that it would be easier to create a new threat through aliens.

Edited by IIurricane, 19 February 2013 - 02:15 PM.


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Posted 20 February 2013 - 01:37 AM

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n the battletech universe, the big powers at least think about possible alien attacks. Comstars Explorer Corps is not only searching for old starleague outposts and signs of the lost SLDF, they are also looking for possible threats from not human sources.
Also, some of the (warden) clans see themselfes as humanitys only rightfull army (as descendants of the SLDF), to protect the Inner Sphere from (not specified) outer threats.

It´s somehow like in Frank Herberts Dune universe, where nuclear weapons are kept for possible defend against aliens, even if there never were signs of them found in thousands of years.

I remember that it was implied somewhere that either in Asimov's Foundation Series or his Robotic Laws series (which some say might actually happen in a shared Universe), the Robots did follow the Robotic Laws by preventively striking against Alien species to protect humanity. Which is why no one ever encountered aliens.

Maybe Comstar is more than just searching... :lol:

View PostIIurricane, on 19 February 2013 - 02:12 PM, said:

The fact that there are hardly aliens in the BattleTech universe sets it apart from other sci-fi franchises. I like this idea. I think it fits better for BT when there are only few aliens. Better would be none but it's too late for that. :D
But i like also Aliens, like in Mass Effect.
Although I must admit that it would be easier to create a new threat through aliens.

The few instances that exist "officially" seem rather minor and easily ignored. But I believe that you will have to accept for alien life the moment you can colonize other worlds. It seems to me as if these worlds weren't all terraformed either, so it is probably more a question on when a intelligent lifeform will evolve, if at all. (And in truth, the likelihood of this happening around the same time on human-relatable scales is low.)

Alien threats however are also very risky in a universe that didn't have such threats before.
But then, the Clans were a similar risk. What I personally don't like about them is how they brought power creep to the game. I would hav epreferred if they were just using different tech. (Say, pulse lasers instead of normal lasers, Plasma Rifles instead of Auto-Cannons).

Anyway, I always have to think of the Star Wars Expanded Universe... I really didn't like (nor can spell) the Yuzahn Vong. It didn't feel like Star Wars to me anymore. And Aliens in Battletech might have he same issue.

But then, I kinda like the idea anyway. A new threat, and what I find very importan - humans as manipulative agressors, instead of victims of an invasion (which is traditional, and the Clan Invasion was exactly like that).

Alternatively, it could be that they found yet another set of former Star League colonies? (Backin to Asimov - the 2nd Foundation? Making Kerensky a Hari Seldon of the Battletech? Or someone else of the Star League past?)

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Posted 20 February 2013 - 02:57 AM

The two rules of Battletech:
No mobile forcefields/shields.
No Aliens.

Only in 2 Novels Aliens are mentioned:
#1 Far Country (http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Far_Country) Sidenote: This was the only book Peter Rice wrote for BT. For a reason.
#2 Dagger and the Sword. The 'Aliens' mentioned here are animals which seem to be communicating in some way. Observed by a man which is heavily wounded, having an infection and a fever and is under the influence of effects of ... er... tempting... plants.

-> So in the end nowhere in BT aliens ever have been mentioned. ;)

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Posted 20 February 2013 - 10:44 AM

Far Country is canon, like it or not. Luckily we have no idea what galaxy, system, or universe it took place in, so you can rest easy knowing the Tetatae won't invade the Inner Sphere.

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Posted 20 February 2013 - 02:21 PM

well Btech does have aliens BUT! from what i remember from the MW RPG books they only go as far as indigenous wildlife of some of the planets. nothing on the line of starwars or startrek.

Edited by Matchstick, 20 February 2013 - 02:23 PM.


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Posted 20 February 2013 - 04:02 PM

View PostMatchstick, on 20 February 2013 - 02:21 PM, said:

well Btech does have aliens BUT! from what i remember from the MW RPG books they only go as far as indigenous wildlife of some of the planets. nothing on the line of starwars or startrek.


True...I doubt the swamp people will be leaving Stein's Folly to invade the IS next.

I'm reading the pdf of Sword and the Dagger now....cannot believe this book is selling for over 100$ on the web just because it's one of the original BT books...it's pretty dry stuff, lol.

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Posted 21 February 2013 - 01:34 PM

The Tetatae Race that is stuck in a tribal mentallity. Set in there ways. Like American Indian of Americas early years. But worse. It takes a couple hours just to announce all those present at a powwow. The humans on the planet Kaetetôã treat them as inferrior.

The Swamp People are Neopithecanthropus. Roughly similar to the Pithecanthropus[1] or "Upright Ape-Man" of old Terra, this is a loose grouping of many different species found accross human occupied space that have stone age technology or lower.

Edited by Skylarr, 22 February 2013 - 08:11 AM.


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Posted 21 February 2013 - 09:51 PM

Oh don't forget the Branth Aerial Beasts!!!!

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Posted 21 February 2013 - 11:27 PM

View PostSurtr, on 21 February 2013 - 09:51 PM, said:

Oh don't forget the Branth Aerial Beasts!!!!


There are actually quite a few alien beasts in Battletech:

http://www.sarna.net...k_%28species%29
http://www.sarna.net...wley_Lizard_Cow
http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Megasaur

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Posted 22 February 2013 - 08:14 AM

View PostSurtr, on 21 February 2013 - 09:51 PM, said:

Oh don't forget the Branth Aerial Beasts!!!!


View PostStormwolf, on 21 February 2013 - 11:27 PM, said:


These are Alien Creatures. MustrumRidcully and others were talking about creatures that have an intellengce above the animal level.

There are many nasty Alien Creatures. I hae played the TT for many years. We also play MechWarrior and have run into many different types.

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Posted 22 February 2013 - 08:20 AM

The Trachazoi are powerful carnivores that prey on large primates, including humans.

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Commonly known as "brain-eaters", The trachazoi are small, powerful mammals (no larger that small dogs) that inhabit the woodlands on a variety of planets. Though spread across the Inner Sphere and beyond on a variety of worlds, they are rare.

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The crana is a predatory insect found on scattered worlds throughout the Inner Sphere and Clan space.

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Posted 22 February 2013 - 02:30 PM

View PostSkylarr, on 22 February 2013 - 08:14 AM, said:



These are Alien Creatures. MustrumRidcully and others were talking about creatures that have an intellengce above the animal level.


They just fooled you into believing that they were stupid beasts, now bow to our lizard cow overlords.

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Posted 22 February 2013 - 03:50 PM

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Posted 23 February 2013 - 09:31 AM

There are no sentient aliens in the BT lore.

I do not know HOW the heck peter rice got away with the crap with those bird creatures, because it's been a hard and fast rule pretty much since the start that aliens are verboten in the BT universe.

I suspect TPTB may have officially disavowed his book...

Edited by Pht, 23 February 2013 - 09:32 AM.






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