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Heavies Weigh The Same In Matchmaking As Assaults


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#1 Chunkylad

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Posted 19 February 2013 - 12:52 PM

Picture pretty much explains it. 5 assaults vs 3. My team had heavies in place of where they had assaults. Makes it real tough to fight a fair match. Not sure what else to say. And I hardly consider a Dragon a replacement for an Atlas.

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Edited by Chunkylad, 19 February 2013 - 12:54 PM.


#2 Captain Midnight

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Posted 19 February 2013 - 12:55 PM

was this an 8 player match?

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Posted 19 February 2013 - 12:55 PM

nice dracstomp

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Posted 19 February 2013 - 12:56 PM

The MM tries to match weight class and, failing that, makes substitutes.

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Posted 19 February 2013 - 12:57 PM

View PostChunkylad, on 19 February 2013 - 12:52 PM, said:

Picture pretty much explains it. 5 assaults vs 3. My team had heavies in place of where they had assaults. Makes it real tough to fight a fair match. Not sure what else to say. And I hardly consider a Dragon a replacement for an Atlas.


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MatchMaking Phase 3

- When players or groups press the launch button, the match maker will attempt to form the best balanced match in terms of both the skills (ELO) and mech classes of all the players involved.
- The longer the search takes, up to approximately 2-3 minutes, the less balanced the match could be since there just simply isn't a balanced mix of players and selected mechs looking for a match.
- The more matches people play, the more accurate matching will become.


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Posted 19 February 2013 - 12:57 PM

Perhaps the heavy pilots' Elo was as high or higher than those 2 assaults' Elo?

#7 Tennex

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Posted 19 February 2013 - 12:58 PM

View PostBilbo, on 19 February 2013 - 12:56 PM, said:

The MM tries to match weight class and, failing that, makes substitutes.


they did stay longer it takes to match less fair it will be. though making exceptions to weight rule is kind of unfair. should just be exception to ELO rule.

Edited by Tennex, 19 February 2013 - 12:58 PM.


#8 Bilbo

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Posted 19 February 2013 - 01:01 PM

View PostTennex, on 19 February 2013 - 12:58 PM, said:


they did stay longer it takes to match less fair it will be. though making exceptions to weight rule is kind of unfair. should just be exception to ELO rule.

I'd actually prefer the weight imbalance. If the pilots are of the same skill level. The weight imbalance shouldn't make too much of a difference.

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Posted 19 February 2013 - 01:02 PM

View PostBilbo, on 19 February 2013 - 01:01 PM, said:

I'd actually prefer the weight imbalance. If the pilots are of the same skill level. The weight imbalance shouldn't make too much of a difference.


agreed. weight class should still add a modifier to the ELO though. for example skilled pilots with an heavy should play against less skilled pilots in assault.

#10 Havyek

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Posted 19 February 2013 - 01:16 PM

Did anyone but me read the part about the longer you play, the more accurate the matchmaker will become yadda yadda yadda?

#11 Havyek

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Posted 19 February 2013 - 01:22 PM

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#12 Bilbo

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Posted 19 February 2013 - 01:23 PM

View PostTennex, on 19 February 2013 - 01:02 PM, said:


agreed. weight class should still add a modifier to the ELO though. for example skilled pilots with an heavy should play against less skilled pilots in assault.

I could live with that.

#13 Krazyjim

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Posted 19 February 2013 - 01:29 PM

View PostBDU Havoc, on 19 February 2013 - 01:22 PM, said:

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Robin just can't get his **** together...

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Posted 19 February 2013 - 01:38 PM

The heavy's aren't counting as assaults, the trebuchets are,

one team 5 assault mechs, the other has 3 assault mechs and 2 trebuchets.

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Posted 19 February 2013 - 01:47 PM

View PostChunkylad, on 19 February 2013 - 12:52 PM, said:

Picture pretty much explains it. 5 assaults vs 3. My team had heavies in place of where they had assaults. Makes it real tough to fight a fair match. Not sure what else to say. And I hardly consider a Dragon a replacement for an Atlas.

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Considering how much tonnage you gave up to them and the fact you had 1 guy AFK?? You did pretty well! At least they didn't roll you over completely! Taking skill into account, it was fairly close!

Edited by Pendraco, 19 February 2013 - 01:48 PM.


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Posted 19 February 2013 - 01:53 PM

IN another "unmatched screenshot" thread, someone said that the system might be counting trebuchets as assaults. That would fit this one as well.

#17 CDLord HHGD

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Posted 19 February 2013 - 01:54 PM

View PostBDU Havoc, on 19 February 2013 - 01:22 PM, said:

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OMG, this needs to be in every thread today....... Agree 100% and LMAO!

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Posted 19 February 2013 - 01:56 PM

View PostMackman, on 19 February 2013 - 01:53 PM, said:

IN another "unmatched screenshot" thread, someone said that the system might be counting trebuchets as assaults. That would fit this one as well.

Once the MM decides it cannot find the correct weight, all bets are off. You could get anything.

#19 Chunkylad

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Posted 19 February 2013 - 01:58 PM

View PostPendraco, on 19 February 2013 - 01:47 PM, said:


Considering how much tonnage you gave up to them and the fact you had 1 guy AFK?? You did pretty well! At least they didn't roll you over completely! Taking skill into account, it was fairly close!

It was a good fight, just really rough. I was running an all LRM stalker and with all of those D-DC's.... ugh. We didn't realize we were so out classed until our atlas had already engaged, otherwise we would have been much more cautious. As you can see we had no true scout.

And I am not saying the Elo system or matchmaking is wrong in any way, I just want to know why there is such a large gap in tonnage between teams. Had a second match where we had only 2 heavies, no assaults. The other team had 2 atlas in place of our 2 heavies. We had a dragon and pult so that is a 75 tonnage difference between teams. The rest of the mechs were lights with the exception of 2 mediums on each team.

I am thoroughly enjoying the matchmaking, have only had two complete steamrolls today and my teams have worked well together in almost every match... except for the two steiners on an all Kurita team... they died alone to a single Raven.

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Posted 19 February 2013 - 01:58 PM

View PostBilbo, on 19 February 2013 - 01:01 PM, said:

I'd actually prefer the weight imbalance. If the pilots are of the same skill level. The weight imbalance shouldn't make too much of a difference.


I almost agree with your statement. What about alpine, conquest, other team has 3 lights, you have one. Just played that game and we killed everyone but a spider. He was gone and capping and there wasn't a thing we could do about it.





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