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[StalaggtIKE]

K0M3D14N, on 20 February 2013 - 11:28 AM, said:

In comparison with other Light 'Mechs, the 3L has NO disadvantages. You don't even have to aim to get kills with the damn thing. It's just acquire lock, circle strafe, right click and win. There need to be changes made to Streaks to fix the issues with both Raven 3Ls and COM-2Ds.

Right click!? Pros use left click; streaks are the main weapon.

[FrostCollar]

Baby Bear, on 20 February 2013 - 12:33 PM, said:

They won't stop complaining about Raven 3Ls until its nerfed so every mech is better than a Raven 3L. If you read up on the Raven you will find it is one of the most advanced Light Mechs of its time. The complaining will go on and on with the numerous other AntiRaven threads. Mostly Assault Pilots whose buddies left him alone to get picked off. Heh, I predict one thing will make lotta the Raven Op threads go away and that is when the Clan Mechs drop with SSRM6 launchers. If you are whining about getting pecked to death by a SSRM2 launcher then you are gonna really hate fast Clan mechs with dual SSRM6s smacking your backside. Then every slow IS mech pilot is gonna say Clan Light Mechs are OP and they should be nerfed. Sigh... Mount some large lasers already. Seen some veteran Assault Pilots leg Ravens and other lights without problem. Admittedly its a learned skill but I immediately recognize a pilot who knows what they are doing when they put their back to the wall rather than try to out turn me. Oh, and a veteran Jenner pilot is lethal too.

Did you play before ECM? Back then, there were many in-depth analyses about how the best Raven (3L) was only as good as the "worst" Jenner (JR7-K). And take it from someone whose first mech purchase was a RVN-4X back in the closed beta (what a blunder), before the 3Ls came out playing a Raven was excruciating.

The problem is that SSRMs and ECM are an extremely dominant combination for lights and the 3L can mount that combination. Sure, the EWAR Raven is canonically advanced but that same variant is also canonically not meant for direct combat. Your comments on clan weapons ultimately add nothing to this conversation.

"They won't stop complaining about Raven 3Ls until its nerfed so every mech is better than a Raven 3L." What are you talking about? In the current state of the game, the Raven 3L is pretty clearly better than all other lights.

Edited by FrostCollar, 20 February 2013 - 12:43 PM.

[Baby Bear]

I played the Raven before ECM and did well. I now also play the Commando in addition to the 3L. I do agree in that I don't like how Streaks are used with ECM and thats coming from a 3L pilot. They should make it so you have to relock after firing. Personally I have no problems with Jenners mounting ECM as long as its not the D variant. Spider also need better hardpoints.

[Sean von Steinike]

I might think about getting a 3L now that I would feel less like a flavor of the month, OP cheese player. The 3L was my most wanted mech in closed beta before the Ravens came out, but I refused to buy it when I seen how crapttardly cheesy it was.

[SkyCake]

Sean von Steinike, on 20 February 2013 - 01:05 PM, said:

I might think about getting a 3L now that I would feel less like a flavor of the month, OP cheese player. The 3L was my most wanted mech in closed beta before the Ravens came out, but I refused to buy it when I seen how crapttardly cheesy it was.

MWO needs more players like this... I have never piloted an A1,K2,3L, or DDC because they have been pure hacks and nothing else... that's why days like today are so unbelievably sweet!!! ECM killed streak cats, but that victory was short lived, as all the cheaters just went to other hacks... then net code took some of the wind out of the 3L's sails... now we have in one patch, the end of ecm invincibility, the end of brawler cheese builds, and the end of streak monopolies!!!! And I swear I can literally taste the tears of those honor-less dogs!!! Your reckoning has come, can you feel the walls closing in, can you see how utterly unskilled and unoriginal your play has been?!?! Die!!!!

Edited by SkyCake, 20 February 2013 - 02:08 PM.

[Metallis]

K0M3D14N, on 20 February 2013 - 11:28 AM, said:

In comparison with other Light 'Mechs, the 3L has NO disadvantages. You don't even have to aim to get kills with the damn thing. It's just acquire lock, circle strafe, right click and win. There need to be changes made to Streaks to fix the issues with both Raven 3Ls and COM-2Ds.

Hey Hey Hey HEY!!!!!! Leave the Com-2Ds's out of this. We are not over-powered. We're just Over-skilled. Suck on that baby!!

[Walk]

Tennex, on 20 February 2013 - 08:37 AM, said:

they havent solved anything. the 3L is still overly powerful in the light mech arena

My Jenner laughs at your raven-3Ls.

[nksharp]

Walk, on 20 February 2013 - 02:18 PM, said:

My Jenner laughs at your raven-3Ls.

Try playing against actual decent pilots and not pugs and you will be singing a whole different tune.

[Walk]

nksharp, on 20 February 2013 - 02:20 PM, said:

Try playing against actual decent pilots and not pugs and you will be singing a whole different tune.

I actually do play against good players. That's why it makes me laugh when people think Raven's are so strong. Any Jenner that loses to a raven has no ability to pilot, the 1v1 advantage a jenner has over a raven is just too much.

[Baby Bear]

nksharp, on 20 February 2013 - 02:20 PM, said:

Try playing against actual decent pilots and not pugs and you will be singing a whole different tune.

There are some Jenner pilots that have mastered jump spin shooting and also know how to use tricks to break Streak lock. Very rare tho since it requires lotta dying to get it right. I'm decent at it but piloting a Jenner can be exhausting if you are doing it right. Nice thing about ECM lights is that you can hide and pause to catch a breather and reevaluate the current situation before attacking. Can't do that in a Jenner since you are constantly evading 3Ls and dodging LRM boat fire. Lotta respect for the hardcore Jenner pilots.

[Walk]

Baby Bear, on 20 February 2013 - 02:38 PM, said:

There are some Jenner pilots that have mastered jump spin shooting and also know how to use tricks to break Streak lock. Very rare tho since it requires lotta dying to get it right. I'm decent at it but piloting a Jenner can be exhausting if you are doing it right. Nice thing about ECM lights is that you can hide and pause to catch a breather and reevaluate the current situation before attacking. Can't do that in a Jenner since you are constantly evading 3Ls and dodging LRM boat fire. Lotta respect for the hardcore Jenner pilots.

Ah look, this guy gets the basics. The raven is easy as balls to play, but it hits its skill ceiling much lower than that of the Jenner. If a Jenner and a Raven 1v1...

If both are low skill level, the raven will win.
If both are med skill level, the raven will win.
If both are high skill level, it starts breaking even.
If both are very high skill level, the Jenner will **** on the Raven. At this skill level, the Jenner pilot can easily exploit the many weaknesses the 3-L has. No jump jets, a center torso that can be hit from any Angle, and the fact it relies on streaks to do most of its damage, which are always very unreliable. It can either attempt a faceoff, in which case the Jenner's firepower will blow it to smithereens, or it can run, giving the Jenner free reign over its backend. It can't chase the jenner, Jenner can use its JJ's to skirt around corners and force the Raven into a losing situation really fast.

[Pancakeman]

Walk, on 20 February 2013 - 02:54 PM, said:

Ah look, this guy gets the basics. The raven is easy as balls to play, but it hits its skill ceiling much lower than that of the Jenner. If a Jenner and a Raven 1v1...

If both are low skill level, the raven will win.
If both are med skill level, the raven will win.
If both are high skill level, it starts breaking even.
If both are very high skill level, the Jenner will **** on the Raven. At this skill level, the Jenner pilot can easily exploit the many weaknesses the 3-L has. No jump jets, a center torso that can be hit from any Angle, and the fact it relies on streaks to do most of its damage, which are always very unreliable. It can either attempt a faceoff, in which case the Jenner's firepower will blow it to smithereens, or it can run, giving the Jenner free reign over its backend. It can't chase the jenner, Jenner can use its JJ's to skirt around corners and force the Raven into a losing situation really fast.

Simply not true.

[Rakashan]

Baby Bear, on 20 February 2013 - 12:56 PM, said:

I played the Raven before ECM and did well. I now also play the Commando in addition to the 3L. I do agree in that I don't like how Streaks are used with ECM and thats coming from a 3L pilot. They should make it so you have to relock after firing. Personally I have no problems with Jenners mounting ECM as long as its not the D variant. Spider also need better hardpoints.

Simple question. You played RVNs before ECM. Which RVNs? Did you drive anything but the 3L? Do you now?

Don't get me wrong. I drive JR7s and I don't use SSRMs. I eat RVN-3Ls unless they swarm me because I know how to counter ECM but that doesn't mean ECM is ok. The day it is ok to drive any RVN, CDA or Commando you want without being asked why you don't have ECM is the day they are balanced. Until then, they are, by definition, imbalanced.

Edited by Rakashan, 20 February 2013 - 03:04 PM.

[Walk]

Pancakeman, on 20 February 2013 - 03:00 PM, said:

Simply not true.

You sure as **** proved me wrong. What a brilliant argument. The only thing that has ever made the Raven-3L any good was ECM, before that it was considered a piece of junk. Guess what, my 6 ML Jenner doesn't even notice the fact ECM exists, because I have to actually aim my weapons. I could kill you before ECM without any issue, and you getting ECM made absolutely no impact on my ability to kill your 3L. You can't even provide a counter argument to defend yourself.

[Kaspirikay]

nksharp, on 20 February 2013 - 02:20 PM, said:

Try playing against actual decent pilots and not pugs and you will be singing a whole different tune.

>implying all pugs are noobs