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#21 Stormwolf

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Posted 21 February 2013 - 11:22 PM

View PostLackofCertainty, on 21 February 2013 - 02:47 PM, said:


True, but in the clans they have humans who are bred/engineered into positions of power, which is pretty similar isn't it? Sure they still have to work for it, but they're being given every possible genetic advantage, which could be argued is the same as the nobility of the IS. (just that the IS nobles have a monetary/social-status advantage instead of a genetic one)


Those bred/engineerd humans don't automatically gain those positions, most of them end up in lower casts. And besides, the Clans have been adapting quite well. We have a freeborn Khan, a freeborn bloodnamed warrior among Clan Jade Falcon and a faction that allowed for new bloodnames to be created from their "conquered" people in later years.

#22 Jaroth Corbett

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Posted 22 February 2013 - 04:37 AM

View PostNathan K, on 20 February 2013 - 05:34 PM, said:

Hey. Someone had to ask.


View PostJaroth Winson, on 09 February 2013 - 09:21 AM, said:


Uh where did they say they were never coming back? Please point me to a reference from the source material.

You have completely missed the part as to WHY the Great Father left. It was to prevent the people under his charge, the SLDF from fracturing back to SS & GH thereby destroying the unity of the SLDF. HE predicted what was coming & because he was NOT a tyrant like some of the House leaders, when urged to press leadership of the IS because he had control of the only real army that was intact, he said NO.

He KNEW that war was coming. He hoped that by the time his descendants returned, mankind would have settled their disputes & be living in harmony. If that happened, the new SLDF would simply protect the populace from any external threats, should they present themselves. This is also the Warden view..............which is why I could never subscribe to it, because that did NOT happen. The SS bombed each other back to the Stone Age, the Ares Convention was a mockery, FOUR Succession Wars + the Kentares Massacre (do people who whine about the Clans even know what happened there?)

Looking forward to the So why do people not like the Inner Sphere? thread


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Posted 22 February 2013 - 04:48 AM

I just hate the WEAKLINGS who would 'surrender' to scummy tube-babies instead of doing everything in their power to subvert and destroy this PERVERSION of humanity called the CLANS.

Edited by Prosperity Park, 03 March 2013 - 11:06 PM.
edited "mildly" to comply with Code of Conduct


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Posted 23 February 2013 - 05:16 AM

I dislike the IS because their leaders are all selfish ******** that cause the death of billions in some vain belief that they should rule all. There are some exceptions but they are rare. I do like the Outworlds Alliance as it was created to get away from all that nonsense.

The Clans traditionally at least kept their fighting to within the warrior class leaving the civilians in peace. They of course have changed for the worse as well.

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Posted 24 February 2013 - 09:32 AM

View PostInappropriate1191, on 20 February 2013 - 06:38 PM, said:

My reason is because they're all a Byzantine clusterfu*ks modeled after Europe (I despise the entire continent), Japan, and China, with all the retardation of the United States, driven by hereditary monarchies that have all the inbreeding and entitlement you'd expect from inbred royalty.

The Inner Sphere can be best summed up as a bunch of fools fighting countless wars over the nothing that is left, merely to be the one to say they get to rule over the biggest ruin in a scrapheap of a galaxy.

Still, I like them a good deal better than the communist douchebombs that run the Clans.


Well.. *cough cough* inbreeding isn't limited to the IS...

But they are ******* petty.

"I can't work with Davion."
"Why not?"
"Something that happened several thousand years ago. Don't really remember, but they're ******* anyways."

Of course, the Clans were designed to compete against eachother, which also weakens them. Their 'strongest will survive' warrior culture worked out in the days leading up to the IS invasion, but they should have put all that to the side during the invasion rather than kicking off the largest in-Clan war in history which nearly wiped out two of the strongest Clans.

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Posted 24 February 2013 - 10:02 AM

If debating on morals, then I would say no system of government is without flaws. If asking, "Would I Live There," then I am sure there is a planet out there somewhere peaceful enough to kick back on. However, from an entertainment standpoint, do I dislike the Inner Sphere?

Conflict is entertaining.

I do not dislike the Inner Sphere. I just like the Clans more.

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Posted 24 February 2013 - 03:34 PM

View PostRuTsui, on 24 February 2013 - 09:32 AM, said:


Well.. *cough cough* inbreeding isn't limited to the IS...

But they are ******* petty.

"I can't work with Davion."
"Why not?"
"Something that happened several thousand years ago. Don't really remember, but they're ******* anyways."

Of course, the Clans were designed to compete against eachother, which also weakens them. Their 'strongest will survive' warrior culture worked out in the days leading up to the IS invasion, but they should have put all that to the side during the invasion rather than kicking off the largest in-Clan war in history which nearly wiped out two of the strongest Clans.

Looks like someone needs help with their homework...

http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Refusal_War

Edited by Nathan K, 24 February 2013 - 03:36 PM.


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Posted 27 February 2013 - 07:27 AM

View PostInappropriate1191, on 20 February 2013 - 08:35 PM, said:


Be that as it may with Clan tech, as one person pointed out in another topic, high-powered omnimechs and sweet gear do not a conquest make. The Clans just can't compete with the Inner Sphere's sheer numbers, superior logistics (You think wars are won with weapons? Amateur! Wars are won with supply lines!), and the fact that the IS worlds are fighting defensive wars (Fortifications and said logistics) means that the Clans don't have a hope to win.

*gets ready to explain, sees someone beat him to it*

View PostNatasha Kerensky, on 21 February 2013 - 05:47 AM, said:


The Inner Sphere has sheer numbers and use guerrilla tactics , that's how they win. The Inner Sphere's logistics are not better than the Clans. If the Clans actually took their time and properly prepared, like Clan Wolf, their supply lines are just as good. The Clans had more jumpships, dropships, and warships, than the Inner Sphere.

Fortifications mean nothing in war. They should have learned from history. (ie. Maginot Line)

Also, numbers shouldn't have been a factor on the side of the IS.

View PostOni Ralas, on 21 February 2013 - 11:10 AM, said:

The IS illustrates the nature of humans to, regardless of wealth, stall out forward progress in the seeking of more wealth. The IS fights amongst itself not to survive, but to have *more* wealth on top of already (for the most part) high amounts in most areas. The poor suffer while these little kingdoms play their game of thrones. The outcome of any IS fighting is always a loss no matter the result. With no external threats, man will only fight himself. The Clans are a direct contrast. However, they are not above corruption, as it's the lure of honor and eventually the perversion of doctrine (depending on perspective of course) that leads to further bloodshed. At the end of the game, the pawn and king both go into the same wooden box. Given my limited knowledge, I like the Clans far more than the IS, but prefer the ideal of reunification on both sides to achieve balance. Until the Tyranids show up. Then we're all f'cked.

I will personally lead my flamer packed Cicada's and Fleas against the Tyranids, that is until I get access to a Stormcrow.

View PostPariah Devalis, on 21 February 2013 - 04:05 PM, said:

Dislike is about how far as I would state it. Outside of Liao, that is. I mean, I would hate Liao if it was not so incredibly obvious that we are supposed to hate them. Too obvious, ya know?

I do have a couple reasons for my dislike, however. I dislike the IS because, as others have said, they bombed themselves into the stone age, and are too damned stubborn/stupid/greedy to realize that the course of action they have chosen to follow has been a largely self defeating one. I also have a real passionate hate for Victor Ian Steiner-Davion (and learning of how he eventually died actually made me snicker aloud). He was never Luke Skywalker to Kai-Allard's Han Solo. He was just ******* annoying as hell.

What draws me away from the IS houses the most is precisely what draws me towards the Clans. The lack of (albeit artificial) sense of honor. Warriors of the Inner Sphere for the most part like stacked odds, and while it is tactically sound I dislike the concept of fighting dirty.

That is not to say I would not fight dirty if I had to in order to win against odds I was reasonably certain I would fail against otherwise, mind you, but, well.... What is more fun? Having a shootout with one other person, or being the unfortunate ******* who gets chosen to be focus fired upon by four mechs? Both parties get to stand a chance in the first case and test their skills against one another. In the second, one person is dead without any possible opportunity to compensate for it due to better individual piloting capabilities. It is downright frustrating (especially when you are not even separated from a pack, just got the bad end of the eenie meenie minie moe designation). Conversely, I find it far, far less enjoyable to nuke someone into the ground with coordinated strikes than it is to actually push my personal capabilities against another person's combat capabilities and see who is the better fighter.

Incidentally, that is why if I ever had to choose, I would choose the Draconis Combine as my favorite of the IS houses, since they have their own honor code they stick by and do, indeed, also tend to get into duels with enemy mechs. It is not so much that I like them, I just like them more than the other houses.

Another reason why I prefer the Clan style of fighting, it makes it tougher on the player. I play many RTS's and have studied the arts of war extensively, but nothing makes me more excited than to be a part of a one on one, or one on two duel. There it shows true prowess of piloting, or in some cases, how much lady luck can be a *****.

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 11:32 AM

Dont expect coherent ideas from people born in trash cans ... it is unnatural.

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 04:16 PM

We have to Pay to use Public Toilets. ;)

Space TP is very expensive.

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Posted 03 March 2013 - 09:35 PM

View PostPariah Devalis, on 21 February 2013 - 04:05 PM, said:

Dislike is about how far as I would state it. Outside of Liao, that is. I mean, I would hate Liao if it was not so incredibly obvious that we are supposed to hate them. Too obvious, ya know?

I do have a couple reasons for my dislike, however. I dislike the IS because, as others have said, they bombed themselves into the stone age, and are too damned stubborn/stupid/greedy to realize that the course of action they have chosen to follow has been a largely self defeating one. I also have a real passionate hate for Victor Ian Steiner-Davion (and learning of how he eventually died actually made me snicker aloud). He was never Luke Skywalker to Kai-Allard's Han Solo. He was just ******* annoying as hell.

What draws me away from the IS houses the most is precisely what draws me towards the Clans. The lack of (albeit artificial) sense of honor. Warriors of the Inner Sphere for the most part like stacked odds, and while it is tactically sound I dislike the concept of fighting dirty.

That is not to say I would not fight dirty if I had to in order to win against odds I was reasonably certain I would fail against otherwise, mind you, but, well.... What is more fun? Having a shootout with one other person, or being the unfortunate ******* who gets chosen to be focus fired upon by four mechs? Both parties get to stand a chance in the first case and test their skills against one another. In the second, one person is dead without any possible opportunity to compensate for it due to better individual piloting capabilities. It is downright frustrating (especially when you are not even separated from a pack, just got the bad end of the eenie meenie minie moe designation). Conversely, I find it far, far less enjoyable to nuke someone into the ground with coordinated strikes than it is to actually push my personal capabilities against another person's combat capabilities and see who is the better fighter.

Incidentally, that is why if I ever had to choose, I would choose the Draconis Combine as my favorite of the IS houses, since they have their own honor code they stick by and do, indeed, also tend to get into duels with enemy mechs. It is not so much that I like them, I just like them more than the other houses.


Some people value teamwork, others value personal skill. Personally, I prefer teamwork oriented gameplay. Personally, I like the Lyran Commonwealth and Free Worlds League for ideological reasons (and for Lyrans' "Assault Rush") P.S.: Who else thinks that Clan Mechs should be given targeting nerfs money penalties to replicate the "honor" system, and 5 Clan mechs for every 8 IS mechs to show that they are "outnumbered".

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Posted 04 March 2013 - 06:17 AM

I do not. It is the Clan's homeland, and our rightful home.

Whats not to like about it? Fighting everywhere, resources to plunder, fighting everywhere!

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Posted 04 March 2013 - 10:46 AM

I think my beef is that a majority of characters are standard arch-types of hero's and villian's. Katrina-Steiner, Sun-Tzu Liao, and Jade Falcon Kahn Ellias Crichell (?) were standard baddies with very little growth or change of character from the beginning to the end of the Clan invasions. Hero's like Victor Steiner-Davion, Kai-Allard Liao, and Jaime Wolf all exemplify their names and traits, but in terms of true character development, there was quite a bit lacking.

I compare it akin to watching Schwarzenegger and Stallone movies, they will show you lots of flash and bang, but don't expect much in terms of great characters. As a friend once said, "It's like a lamppost for a drunk hobo, it's more for support than for illumination."

-S

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Posted 06 March 2013 - 05:58 AM

I don't hate the I.S. although they are a cesspit and represent all the failings of mankind they are still human, when the clans come the freeborn will be given a chance to serve or they will die, which is perhaps more than they deserve but it is a courtesy I will extend.

Edited by zztophat, 06 March 2013 - 06:01 AM.


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Posted 06 March 2013 - 11:41 AM

At this moment the Inner Sphere is full of a bunch of whining cry babies. Getting sick of listening to all this and totally understand why Kerensky left in the first place.

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 07:11 PM

Bump.

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 07:19 PM

I do not dislike the IS. Both side of the coin that is BattleTech are both fantastic! I have been enjoying the novels, and last year read the history to each House from the 1980s House Sourcebooks,

I enjoy everything Battletech, I just like the Clans a little bit more :P

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 07:35 PM

I will not say anything bad against other players without due reason.

But the corrupt houses of the Inner Sphere make me absolutely sick. It's as if backstabbing, greed and deceit are a national pastime. And their own people, it's the people that have to bear the brunt of it. Not a shred of honour anywhere to be found. Ok, I probably shouldn't rant too much.

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 07:47 PM

View PostMoromillas, on 24 March 2013 - 07:35 PM, said:

I will not say anything bad against other players without due reason.

But the corrupt houses of the Inner Sphere make me absolutely sick. It's as if backstabbing, greed and deceit are a national pastime. And their own people, it's the people that have to bear the brunt of it. Not a shred of honour anywhere to be found. Ok, I probably shouldn't rant too much.

You are saying that the Clans are not this way. What did Martha do to Aidan. What di Ulric do to the other Clans?

I am willing to say that it is equal on both sides.

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 07:57 PM

View PostFupDup, on 21 February 2013 - 04:44 PM, said:

Please don't think I'm a bigot; I hate equally.

I believe the definition you are looking for is misanthrope.





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