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[Cebi]

Do they stack?

I've been searching and keep getting conflicting reports. I need stats!

TAG = %badassery?
Artemis = %badassery?
TAG + Artemis = %badassery?

[RobotZombieDragon]

Bump. Also pancakes. Also first comment. PEACE

[One Medic Army]

Not to my knowledge?
I'd like confirmation though.

[Kousagi]

No evidence to this, but they do feel like they stack. At least using both at once makes my LRM stalker pretty deadly. As I've had LRM fights with another boat that didn't have Artemis and only had tag, and I won the exchange by a decent margin. Though Who knows... not sure the devs have stated one way or the other.

[Cebi]

Khobai, on 21 February 2013 - 03:16 PM, said:

Nope. Tag and Artemis don't stack.

They both give a 20% bonus to spread and 50% bonus to tracking.

Seeing as TAG breaks ECM, and both require LOS, doesn't this make Artemis flat out inferior to TAG?

[Commander Kobold]

Tag doesn't stack with Artemis but do generally the same thing (only tag can counter slow EMC users but needs a laser slot) also a dev posted a video some time ago of artemis giving you awesome swirly missles insrad of the ugly cloud we have now.

Cebi, on 21 February 2013 - 03:18 PM, said:

Seeing as TAG breaks ECM, and both require LOS, doesn't this make Artemis flat out inferior to TAG?

artemis lets your missles lock faster

[Cebi]

Omni 13, on 21 February 2013 - 03:19 PM, said:

Tag doesn't stack with Artemis but do generally the same thing (only tag can counter slow EMC users but needs a laser slot) also a dev posted a video some time ago of artemis giving you awesome swirly missles insrad of the ugly cloud we have now.


artemis lets your missles lock faster

But TAG does too doesn't it? Does this stack?

[Khobai]

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Seeing as TAG breaks ECM, and both require LOS, doesn't this make Artemis flat out inferior to TAG?

Yes Artemis is flat out inferior to TAG. Artemis does increase missile lock-on time by 0.5s and works from 750m-1000m unlike TAG but unless you only have one LRM launcher its not worth the insane tonnage/crit slot usage.

And no they don't stack.

Edited by Khobai, 21 February 2013 - 03:31 PM.

[General Taskeen]

However, TAG is supposed to work with Artemis.

As per the Tech Manual:

"TAG is compatible with systems such as Arrow IV Homing Missiles"

Time will tell if they make this so. What this means is that TAG should work with Artemis by allowing the TAG user to paint a target, while a person equipped with Artemis can get all the missile accuracy bonus even if the TAG'ed target is not in their LOS. That's the only thing that allows Artemis Missiles to keep accuracy on a non-LOS target.

[Khobai]

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TAG is compatible with systems such as Arrow IV Homing Missiles

TAG and Artemis do not work together in tabletop.

TAG is for guiding Arrow cruise missiles and indirect LRMs. While Artemis can only be used on direct fired LRMs.

[Ohari]

Khobai, on 21 February 2013 - 03:26 PM, said:

Yes Artemis is flat out inferior to TAG. Artemis does increase missile lock-on time by 0.5s and works from 750m-1000m unlike TAG but unless you only have one LRM launcher its not worth the insane tonnage/crit slot usage.

And no they don't stack.

I disagree on Artemis being inferior to TAG. I think its all about your play style..how you want to fight. With TAG I need to slow down, preferably stop to maintain TAG on target. With Artemis I can shoot on the run and as long as I still have LOS I will get the benefit. I find TAG to be very effective on scouts with no LRMs.. they can run off to the side of a map and TAG targets and let others shoot without the enemy knowing. I was on a team that got ripped apart this way until I noticed a Raven on my left flank TAGging us.

Also if you pair Beagle probe and Advanced sensors you can have that buffer zone where ECM has no effect.

Edited by Ohari, 21 February 2013 - 03:43 PM.

[Taemien]

TAG takes an energy slot, Artemis just costs criticals and tonnage. For my catapult, I need those energy slots for lasers. Because well, you don't want to get caught with your pants down when a light gets up on you.

[Thomas Dziegielewski]

TAG and ArtemisIV Stack.
however
ArtemisIV trumps NARC.

[One Medic Army]

Thomas Dziegielewski, on 21 February 2013 - 03:53 PM, said:

TAG and ArtemisIV Stack.
however
ArtemisIV trumps NARC.

Good to know!

[Taemien]

Thomas Dziegielewski, on 21 February 2013 - 03:53 PM, said:

TAG and ArtemisIV Stack.
however
ArtemisIV trumps NARC.

But Narc allows everyone to target the narc'd mech.

[LaserAngel]

Hmm...I didn't think they stacked. TAG lets you penetrate ECM but even with Artemis you get the same slow lock.

For people outside of ECM; Jump Jets + TAG + Artemis is love.

[CrashieJ]

can PGI make Tag .5 tons again. I feel the spider gets the short end of the stick if the variant with 2 E slots doesn't have enough weight to put Tag.

spider pilots need Tag to be .5 tons, and so do the rest of the lights

[Commander Kobold]

Khobai, on 21 February 2013 - 03:26 PM, said:

Yes Artemis is flat out inferior to TAG. Artemis does increase missile lock-on time by 0.5s and works from 750m-1000m unlike TAG but unless you only have one LRM launcher its not worth the insane tonnage/crit slot usage.

And no they don't stack.

insane tonnage and crits... can I have some of whatever you're smoking?

LaserAngel, on 21 February 2013 - 04:00 PM, said:

Hmm...I didn't think they stacked. TAG lets you penetrate ECM but even with Artemis you get the same slow lock.

For people outside of ECM; Jump Jets + TAG + Artemis is love.

tag and artemis don't stack :/

gavilatius, on 21 February 2013 - 04:01 PM, said:

can PGI make Tag .5 tons again. I feel the spider gets the short end of the stick if the variant with 2 E slots doesn't have enough weight to put Tag.

spider pilots need Tag to be .5 tons, and so do the rest of the lights

I want them to make tag work inside the ECM bubble before they think of changing its weight ect.

[Warrax the Chaos Warrior]

Thomas Dziegielewski, on 21 February 2013 - 03:53 PM, said:

TAG and ArtemisIV Stack.
however
ArtemisIV trumps NARC.

I thought that might be the case.

I've caught a non-ecm Atlas in the open at 300m and managed to core him strait through the CT a lot faster than expected with TAG and 2xALRM-15.

LaserAngel, on 21 February 2013 - 04:00 PM, said:

For people outside of ECM; Jump Jets + TAG + Artemis is love.

This is what I'm doing on my founder's cat. Have done ~900 damage with 6 tons of ammo (results not typical, but always effective )

Edited by Warrax the Chaos Warrior, 21 February 2013 - 04:04 PM.

[One Medic Army]

Omni 13, on 21 February 2013 - 04:02 PM, said:

tag and artemis don't stack :/

Thomas Dziegielewski, on 21 February 2013 - 03:53 PM, said:

TAG and ArtemisIV Stack.
however
ArtemisIV trumps NARC.

I think I'll trust the PGI employee who posted above you

Edited by One Medic Army, 21 February 2013 - 04:07 PM.