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[Livewyr]

Guess who won? (not a trick question.)



Guess how long it took?



/Thread

[Sheraf]

5 mins

[Chavette]

[Corvus Antaka]

lies!

[Cebi]

Reading between the lines; are you suggesting a nerf to ECM??!

That's a radical idea.

[Livewyr]

If one requires matchmaker to balance items on either side..

One should take a second look at the items.

[Congzilla]

I guess you should have fit your own mech better. Balanced builds are OP.

[Livewyr]

Congzilla, on 08 March 2013 - 05:23 AM, said:

I guess you should have fit your own mech better. Balanced builds are OP.

And my build has to do with this because?

[Joseph Mallan]

Wow so on a Map with large wide open kill zones, the team with Massable Ranged fire and electronic camo, decimated a force unable to respond. I know it sucks Live, but the game was played fairly. The fail point is your team brought swords to an archery competition.

Sorry man, it sucks, but it should happen.

[Teralitha]

Im gonna guess.... they did? If so its because they are playing the meta. And the meta sucksmuchass.

If your team won... id say its because they fought your whole team, 1 at a time.

Edited by Teralitha, 08 March 2013 - 05:39 AM.

[MadPanda]

One team had ecm, did the other team have ppc? Sounds like you failed to counter the enemy team.

[DeadlyNerd]

Joseph Mallan, on 08 March 2013 - 05:36 AM, said:

Wow so on a Map with large wide open kill zones, the team with Massable Ranged fire and electronic camo, decimated a force unable to respond. I know it sucks Live, but the game was played fairly. The fail point is your team brought swords to an archery competition.

Sorry man, it sucks, but it should happen.

Actually it shouldn't happen as you're supposed to know the map you'll be playing on before you choose a mech.

[Noobzorz]

Ok. I got confused there.

Anyways, "always play a mech with ECM and nothing else ever," is not a valid balance statement.

[Joseph Mallan]

But we don't know that info yet. So for now yes it should happen. Like I said, but for the time being, it is what it is. I agree that when we are actually playing teh game that mechanic needs to be in place, but for now with less than 50% of a game...

[Silentium]

Yes, solo dropping generally sucks hard, and this is why. These items are balanced for team play (so I hear). In solo drops there is no telling what gear ends up where, so a lot of solo droppers bring crap like ecm to make sure they have it. Then by MM chicanery they end up clumped on the same team.

what can you do? Shrug and move on, or put the game down, or I guess never solo drop.

[Noobzorz]

MadPanda, on 08 March 2013 - 05:38 AM, said:

One team had ecm, did the other team have ppc? Sounds like you failed to counter the enemy team.

So what you're suggesting now is:

- Always have ECM

- Always have missiles

- Always have PPC


AKA

Only ever no matter what play the raven 3L.

Sounds like balance to me, friend!

[Nicholas Carlyle]

Yeah there is another thread discussing it. It's getting to where I log out after the match where it happens.

I really don't want to run an ECM mech, and I'm already in kind of a holding pattern while I wait for the Highlander to come out.

It's really hurting my wanting to play, and I was going to buy MC but I'm still waiting because I want to see where ECM goes if anywhere.

[Noobzorz]

Silentium, on 08 March 2013 - 05:41 AM, said:

Yes, solo dropping generally sucks hard, and this is why. These items are balanced for team play (so I hear). In solo drops there is no telling what gear ends up where, so a lot of solo droppers bring crap like ecm to make sure they have it. Then by MM chicanery they end up clumped on the same team.

what can you do? Shrug and move on, or put the game down, or I guess never solo drop.

CW is great and all, but I'd guess that solo droppers make up the vast majority of players, as they generally do in F2P games. If the solo drop is not working, that's a problem, and they should take a look at sorting that MM chicanery out.

ECM feels about right to me, honestly, with how outrageously powerful LRMs can be without it, and once people get up to speed on the disrupt/counter meta, it wouldn't shock me if it seemed balanced, or at least more balanced than it sometimes feels now.

Edited by Noobzorz, 08 March 2013 - 05:45 AM.

[jay35]

Joseph Mallan, on 08 March 2013 - 05:36 AM, said:

Wow so on a Map with large wide open kill zones, the team with Massable Ranged fire and electronic camo, decimated a force unable to respond. I know it sucks Live, but the game was played fairly. The fail point is your team brought swords to an archery competition.

Sorry man, it sucks, but it should happen.

The source of this specific problem is random map assignment. If players could choose an appropriate build prior to the match, this would not be an issue.

[Livewyr]

Joseph Mallan, on 08 March 2013 - 05:36 AM, said:

Wow so on a Map with large wide open kill zones, the team with Massable Ranged fire and electronic camo, decimated a force unable to respond. I know it sucks Live, but the game was played fairly. The fail point is your team brought swords to an archery competition.

Sorry man, it sucks, but it should happen.

We brought swords and no Aegis Missile Shield.. (did I also mention they were 3Ls and DDCs other than their missile boats?)

Teralitha, on 08 March 2013 - 05:37 AM, said:

Im gonna guess.... they did? If so its because they are playing the meta. And the meta sucksmuchass.

If your team won... id say its because they fought your whole team, 1 at a time.

Indeed.. if your weapon or equipment becomes part of the meta game.. something is wrong.

MadPanda, on 08 March 2013 - 05:38 AM, said:

One team had ecm, did the other team have ppc? Sounds like you failed to counter the enemy team.

You're kidding... right?

DeadlyNerd, on 08 March 2013 - 05:39 AM, said:

Actually it shouldn't happen as you're supposed to know the map you'll be playing on before you choose a mech.

Yeah... then we can all bring Raven 3Ls and Catapult Missile boats...