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[slimebucket]

Remmber eveyone, this is a beta.

Not here for your enjoyment. For everyone who complaining that any changes or what ever are bad, too bad for you! You are here to test the game, not just play it. Sure if you are just testing you are helping test stress to servers. But ultimately this is BETA. I see a lot of people complaining because the game is buggy, or not enough game modes, or what ever, but thats the whole point of beta. So the devs can make a minimum amount of the game, then tweak and fix the game mechanics, then make the content.

So this post is also a msg to the DEVS to please treat this like a beta. Quit spending so much money time and effort making JUST MECHS and maps for the last year, and will be for 3 more months. Work of fixing all the bugs and mechanics and weapons before working on all the mechs and maps. What if you spend millions on all the mechs and maps, then you find something really wrong with the game mechanics. To fix it early would be easy, but now, you have to fix it on EVERY MECH, EVERY MAP... costs x100 more to do simple balances and fixes at that point.


I made a post about this earlier, I posted up a list of issues I feel have been in the game for a very long time that have not had any work or updates to attempt to fix, and in that post I wasn't trying to dis anyone, i wasjust trying to bring up a legitimate concern, and my post got pushed over and locked for no reason....

My post broke no rules what so over. If they did can a mod please explain to me which one? Why can people make tons of posts insulting and dissing, and calling for stuff to be nerfed, and they all stay in general, but I make a post that actually has a point and a reason and it gets locked right away... I don't get it.

Its just like facebook... people can post 1000's of posts that are junk, advertising, celebrate gossip, stupid bs and not only does no one care, but people will LIKE it all, and comment like "yah! awesome!" yet when ever someone posts something that is serious, or important, you always get people who will message you, or get upset with you for "posting junk or garbage"..

[Shumabot]

Oh it's a beta? That explains why they've taken four to six months between balance passes on weapons but have introduced payed content twice a month every month since going public. Because it's a beta. The press in interviews and reviews don't really treat this much as a beta, and it's free to play to the public and has weekly sales, so there's not much beta left here other than a simple lack of feature complete status.

Edited by Shumabot, 30 March 2013 - 07:08 PM.

[armitage]

We have a right to complain while they are taking our money. If they want to release a game to beta earlier in order to make money off it, the door opens for criticism.

Edited by armitage, 30 March 2013 - 07:09 PM.

[SuomiWarder]

It's only a "beta" relase because a word for a not complete on line game that is taking in players and their money anyway has not been invented by the community yet. Something like "Pre- full relase" or "Feature/Content Pending" version would be more correct than "Beta" version.

[Adrian Steel]

Looks like you fell into the marketing trap OP. Let me help you out.

Reality: It's a late alpha or closed beta candidate.

Marketing: Push out the "minimum viable product" (their words) and monetize it immediately. Call it open beta so people can't complain about the bugs and missing features when they throw money at it.

Future: When Community Warfare comes through in the most minimal form, call it version 1.0 and have a "launch." It'll still be incomplete and full of bugs, but who cares when all the features are in? Right?

[Team Leader]

slimebucket, on 30 March 2013 - 06:57 PM, said:

I made a post about this earlier, I posted up a list of issues I feel have been in the game for a very long time that have not had any work or updates to attempt to fix, and in that post I wasn't trying to dis anyone, i wasjust trying to bring up a legitimate concern, and my post got pushed over and locked for no reason....

My post broke no rules what so over. If they did can a mod please explain to me which one? Why can people make tons of posts insulting and dissing, and calling for stuff to be nerfed, and they all stay in general, but I make a post that actually has a point and a reason and it gets locked right away... I don't get it.

Its just like facebook... people can post 1000's of posts that are junk, advertising, celebrate gossip, stupid bs and not only does no one care, but people will LIKE it all, and comment like "yah! awesome!" yet when ever someone posts something that is serious, or important, you always get people who will message you, or get upset with you for "posting junk or garbage"..

this is the important part here guys. Sorry OP, sometimes things just happen.

[DaisuSaikoro Nagasawa]

I would like more content, personally...

In the form of maps (not necessarily mechs).

Oh, and CW or a lobby.

That's my primary focus.

[Sephlock]

I preemptively welcome you to the jettisoned forum, the graveyard of good topics (and yes, some bad ones too).

[Iscariott]

This is a soft launch. Calling something 'beta' does not make it so. Monetization, along with no planned reset means this is a game that has already had a 'soft launch'. Call it whatever you want, but once you open the doors to the world and start charging admission a game is live.

[Henree]

Stockholm syndrome, or capture–bonding, is a psychological phenomenon in which hostages express empathy and sympathy and have positive feelings toward their captors, sometimes to the point of defending them. These feelings are generally considered irrational in light of the danger or risk endured by the victims, who essentially mistake a lack of abuse from their captors for an act of kindness.

[IceCase88]

armitage, on 30 March 2013 - 07:07 PM, said:

We have a right to complain while they are taking our money. If they want to release a game to beta earlier in order to make money off it, the door opens for criticism.

I do not remember them "taking" my money. Maybe I have PTSD from the trauma of them threatening me with treat bodily harm to give them my money. I do remember going to their website voluntarily during a glorious +20% MC sale and inserting my credit card info to voluntarily purchase MC. Maybe I am sufferring from Stockholm Syndrome or something. Weird. It is a game of grand scale which is very playable and quite enjoyable which caters to a whiny customer base. It has some issues but nothing gamebreaking. If you feel the issues are gamebreaking then you should stop torturing yourself and stop playing it. Why keep coming back and back if the game is not enjoyable. That is insanity.

[Roadbeer]

Open ALPETA at best

[Belorion]

Henri Schoots, on 30 March 2013 - 07:38 PM, said:

Stockholm syndrome, or capture–bonding, is a psychological phenomenon in which hostages express empathy and sympathy and have positive feelings toward their captors, sometimes to the point of defending them. These feelings are generally considered irrational in light of the danger or risk endured by the victims, who essentially mistake a lack of abuse from their captors for an act of kindness.

PGI hasn't done anything remotely abusive. If anyone has been abusive its been the forum goers toward PGI.

[Sybreed]

actually, it's still time to test completely different ways the game could work (weapon balance, hardpoint system revamp, heat revamp, etc) but PGI are either too stubborn or too scared to try greatly different gameplay features. Right now, they're too creating new mechs and maps, and not enough busy doing game balance.

It's something that wouldn't cost as much as creating a new map and it could make the game more interesting and by default, bring more money. If they're scared to try something completely different and release it to the public, just make an internal build and let a few testers try it out

[Thirdstar]

Belorion, on 30 March 2013 - 08:28 PM, said:

PGI hasn't done anything remotely abusive. If anyone has been abusive its been the forum goers toward PGI.

Well yes, you would say that.

[Belorion]

Thirdstar, on 30 March 2013 - 08:31 PM, said:

Well yes, you would say that.

Have you actually read the forums?

[Billygoat]

Open BETA = "Reviews sites, **** off until we tell you its OK to write your article"

That's all "Open Beta" means in the context of an online F2P game like this. Nothing else. The game is launched and we are not beta testers (if we ever were), we are players and customers.

[roguetrdr]

By definition once you take money from people your game becomes a product. A product cannot be 'in beta' because it would then not be a product it would be a beta. This is not beta, this is using the word as an excuse for poor workmanship

[Tetatae Squawkins]

Take notes people. This is how you troll.

Edited by crabcakes66, 30 March 2013 - 08:40 PM.

[Iscariott]

I want to add something to what I stated above. This game has had a soft launch already, and while anyone trying to avoid backlash for serious flaws under the idea of "its just beta guys" is a sucker, that doesn't mean I personally have an overall issue with the state of the game. Calling a spade a spade does not mean that you have any great issue with the spade.

MWO is a great game. It has serious flaws, some of which deserve backlash. It is not a beta.

Those 4 statements all coexist just fine.

Edited by Iscariott, 31 March 2013 - 07:26 AM.