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[Multitallented]

So this is data taken directly from a league. These are the mechs used by some of the better players in MWO. The Qty is how many of them are being used. Buy and Sell prices are adjusted prices from the Base Price based on how overpowered the chassis is (you can just ignore those columns).

Hopefully this can be useful for newer players looking to get a good mech.

Mech	Tons	Qty	BuyPrice	SellPrice	BasePrice
LCT-3S	20	1	1,020,940	403,088	1,589,282
LCT-3M	20	7	2,312,064	1,173,666	2,277,326
LCT-1V	20	1	920,997	363,629	1,388,242
COM-1D	25	5	799,054	375,575	872,263
COM-1B	25	7	875,778	444,568	859,392
COM-3A	25	4	771,958	348,326	909,476
COM-DK	25	3	1,327,542	574,059	1,499,846
COM-2D	25	8	1,847,457	972,553	1,781,542
SDR-5D	30	25	4,199,304	3,552,799	2,533,540
SDR-5K	30	4	1,752,195	790,632	2,052,540
SDR-5V	30	1	834,639	329,533	1,299,270
RVN-3L	35	17	6,290,062	4,375,598	4,862,992
RVN-4X	35	3	2,094,817	905,847	2,520,666
RVN-2X	35	4	2,039,910	920,456	2,389,573
JR7-K	35	21	4,803,097	3,702,423	2,863,927
JR7-F	35	63	13,108,441	11,797,597	3,393,066
JR7-D	35	27	7,414,371	6,551,684	3,784,548
CDA-X5	40	7	3,237,881	1,643,635	3,174,923
CDA-3M	40	14	7,201,105	4,603,190	6,097,444
CDA-2A	40	10	3,583,630	2,021,274	3,194,944
CDA-2B	40	4	2,871,982	1,295,907	3,182,436
CDA-3C	40	2	2,088,092	863,680	2,885,739
BJ-3	45	1	2,696,089	1,064,472	4,000,461
BJ-1X	45	4	2,883,785	1,301,233	3,144,528
BJ-1DC	45	6	2,284,864	1,116,901	2,347,828
BJ-1	45	16	4,702,502	3,182,822	3,385,436
TBT-7M	50	2	4,797,983	1,984,551	5,623,797
TBT-7K	50	4	3,357,887	1,515,159	3,867,177
TBT-5N	50	0	2,837,155	1,066,827	4,186,745
TBT-5J	50	4	3,757,897	1,695,653	4,186,745
TBT-3C	50	0	3,163,695	1,189,612	4,503,816
HBK-4SP	50	22	5,841,934	4,613,035	3,632,484
HBK-4P	50	22	5,572,598	4,400,356	3,594,484
CN9-A	50	23	7,951,300	6,428,171	4,197,080
CN9-D	50	7	6,214,955	3,154,878	6,158,590
CN9-AL	50	15	4,955,681	3,261,010	3,552,238
CN9-YLW	50	17	5,963,697	4,148,567	4,829,827
HBK-4G	50	11	4,398,330	2,563,482	3,694,490
HBK-4H	50	8	3,858,495	2,031,219	3,646,484
HBK-4J	50	2	2,995,271	1,238,910	3,778,604
SHD-2H	55	23	7,215,507	5,833,324	4,549,382
SHD-2D2	55	33	8,486,055	7,637,450	4,729,388
SHD-5M	55	19	6,729,337	4,934,211	4,662,939
KTO-BOY	55	5	4,086,235	1,920,632	4,402,988
KTO-20	55	3	3,999,035	1,729,274	4,697,395
KTO-19	55	11	5,425,710	3,162,271	4,589,395
KTO-18	55	13	5,283,177	3,277,856	4,474,807
QKD-5K	60	5	5,244,412	2,465,004	5,578,867
QKD-4H	60	7	5,402,600	2,742,505	5,337,467
DGN-1C	60	3	3,879,399	1,677,541	4,745,200
DGN-1N	60	2	3,368,074	1,393,109	4,827,559
DGN-5N	60	3	4,167,467	1,802,108	5,097,559
DGN-FA	60	0	3,318,363	1,247,770	5,082,843
DGN-FL	60	2	4,219,575	1,745,308	5,502,987
QKD-4G	60	1	3,850,354	1,520,200	5,377,467
TDR-5S	65	6	5,465,370	2,671,614	5,583,922
TDR-5SS	65	7	5,647,017	2,866,577	5,553,829
TDR-9SE	65	8	5,643,716	2,971,009	5,293,947
CPLT-J	65	2	4,756,135	1,967,241	5,749,376
JM6-A	65	7	5,535,683	2,810,061	5,473,070
JM6-S	65	8	5,366,888	2,825,279	5,201,918
CPLT-A1	65	8	5,799,562	3,053,051	5,564,279
CPLT-C4	65	0	3,977,305	1,495,546	5,869,247
CPLT-C1	65	9	6,486,663	3,536,716	5,804,127
CPLT-K2	65	26	8,206,748	7,097,571	5,304,023
JM6-FB	65	3	5,813,222	2,513,770	6,828,398
JM6-DD	65	7	7,627,857	3,872,105	7,513,253
CTF-1X	70	7	6,059,892	3,076,164	5,950,963
CTF-3D	70	40	22,294,864	20,065,378	9,881,953
CTF-IM	70	9	6,700,548	3,653,332	6,382,984
CTF-4X	70	7	5,277,148	2,678,822	5,229,289
CTF-2X	70	2	4,463,295	1,846,116	5,755,995
ON1-M	75	0	4,558,701	1,714,162	7,715,293
ON1-PR	75	2	6,143,142	2,540,938	7,349,298
ON1-K	75	3	5,498,746	2,377,783	6,510,685
ON1-V	75	2	5,139,667	2,125,879	6,628,263
ON1-VA	75	1	4,341,936	1,714,287	6,247,565
VTR-9B	80	15	10,455,295	6,879,948	7,410,423
AWS-8V	80	0	3,966,090	1,491,329	6,574,390
AWS-8T	80	0	4,127,635	1,552,073	6,704,390
AWS-8R	80	0	4,421,264	1,662,483	6,524,390
AWS-9M	80	1	5,482,538	2,164,620	8,534,582
AWS-8Q	80	2	4,836,129	2,000,329	6,764,270
AWS-PB	80	1	5,478,977	2,163,214	8,529,038
VTR-DS	80	6	7,776,808	3,801,505	7,918,378
VTR-9S	80	17	11,079,450	7,707,273	7,440,407
VTR-9K	80	4	6,845,434	3,088,823	7,710,430
STK-4N	85	0	4,747,341	1,785,095	7,412,420
BLR-1D	85	6	7,556,713	3,693,916	7,738,298
BLR-1G	85	12	9,862,238	5,933,436	7,928,378
BLR-1S	85	4	7,006,922	3,161,690	7,892,324
STK-M	85	6	9,167,906	4,481,509	9,281,997
STK-3F	85	11	8,691,256	5,065,532	7,618,480
STK-3H	85	1	5,351,457	2,112,867	7,818,480
STK-5M	85	6	7,875,374	3,849,686	8,064,616
STK-5S	85	1	6,575,596	2,596,182	8,921,480
HGN-732	90	12	10,593,480	6,373,374	9,032,840
HGN-733P	90	5	7,703,139	3,620,667	8,520,422
HGN-733	90	10	9,430,134	5,318,877	8,504,422
HGN-733C	90	46	27,469,189	24,722,270	9,155,368
HGN-HM	90	17	12,162,882	8,460,948	8,621,039
AS7-K	100	4	9,809,256	4,426,170	11,691,066
AS7-D-DC	100	34	25,703,527	23,133,174	10,986,012
AS7-D	100	19	15,769,526	11,562,827	9,676,072
AS7-BH	100	4	9,369,457	4,227,722	10,495,728
AS7-RS	100	11	10,520,770	6,131,829	9,358,066

So what does this mean for balance? Well, I would assert that based on these numbers that there is no equal to the Jenner for scouting. For every other weight classes people don't know what to do. The CTF-3D is also an exception, as it is also unparalleled as a heavy sniper.

Seems like the most expensive mechs are jump snipers.

Edited by Multitallented, 11 November 2013 - 12:22 AM.

[AntiSqueaker]

This is from the Proxis league if I'm not mistaken. The more a mech is used, the more it "costs" a team to purchase, from what I skimmed of the rules a while back.

Top 4 mechs are Jenner 7-F, Atlas DDC, Highlander 733C, and Cataphract 3-D. Not surprised in the slightest, those have always been rated as "top tier" mechs. Jenner is a great scout and flanker, Atlas DDC is ECM bubble + AC20/3x SRM6 barrage. Highlander 733C is AC/20 capable poptart, and the Cataphract is just an all around great mech.

As usual, no one really knows what to do with medium mechs. Im assuming all those Centurion 9-As are running the 2 ML/3x SRM6 zombie build, with a similar 4-5 ML/2x SRM 6 build from the Hunchback 4-SP. It seems like the only "viable" medium builds for competitive play are 100ish km/h SRM + ML flankers. Aside from those 2 mechs, mediums are fairly even across the "good" variants.

[KinLuu]

I am surprised that the Victors did not see more use.

[Vassago Rain]

Shaqs will steal the medium slot once they release this month.

Victors have really costly XLs, and do the same thing that a lander does, but crucially puts the guns on both sides - not all on the right like the 33C.



Dragon slayer would be a good candidate, but it can't take an AC20.

[Ghogiel]

KinLuu, on 11 November 2013 - 02:05 AM, said:

I am surprised that the Victors did not see more use.

There was culling from the populace when one team took 10 of them and all they all got destroyed apart from the few that were salvaged.

[stjobe]

Interesting figures.

For me as a primarily light pilot, there's some interesting conclusion to draw from that data:
* There's more Jenners than all other light 'mechs put together (111 Jenners, 90 others).
* The JR7-F is more than twice as common as the other two variants.
* The Locust is, as we all know, non-competitive (only 9 of them, 7 of which is the only semi-viable variant, the 3M).
* The Spider and Raven's ECM variants are the only competitive variants of those chassis.
* The Commando is the non-Jenner with the most even spread through the variants.

Not any great revelations, but nice to get some numbers.

[Joseph Mallan]

Multitallented, on 11 November 2013 - 12:06 AM, said:

So this is data taken directly from a league. These are the mechs used by some of the better players in MWO. The Qty is how many of them are being used. Buy and Sell prices are adjusted prices from the Base Price based on how overpowered the chassis is (you can just ignore those columns).

Hopefully this can be useful for newer players looking to get a good mech.

Mech	Tons	Qty	BuyPrice	SellPrice	BasePrice
LCT-3S	20	1	1,020,940	403,088	1,589,282
LCT-3M	20	7	2,312,064	1,173,666	2,277,326
LCT-1V	20	1	920,997	363,629	1,388,242
COM-1D	25	5	799,054	375,575	872,263
COM-1B	25	7	875,778	444,568	859,392
COM-3A	25	4	771,958	348,326	909,476
COM-DK	25	3	1,327,542	574,059	1,499,846
COM-2D	25	8	1,847,457	972,553	1,781,542
SDR-5D	30	25	4,199,304	3,552,799	2,533,540
SDR-5K	30	4	1,752,195	790,632	2,052,540
SDR-5V	30	1	834,639	329,533	1,299,270
RVN-3L	35	17	6,290,062	4,375,598	4,862,992
RVN-4X	35	3	2,094,817	905,847	2,520,666
RVN-2X	35	4	2,039,910	920,456	2,389,573
JR7-K	35	21	4,803,097	3,702,423	2,863,927
JR7-F	35	63	13,108,441	11,797,597	3,393,066
JR7-D	35	27	7,414,371	6,551,684	3,784,548
CDA-X5	40	7	3,237,881	1,643,635	3,174,923
CDA-3M	40	14	7,201,105	4,603,190	6,097,444
CDA-2A	40	10	3,583,630	2,021,274	3,194,944
CDA-2B	40	4	2,871,982	1,295,907	3,182,436
CDA-3C	40	2	2,088,092	863,680	2,885,739
BJ-3	45	1	2,696,089	1,064,472	4,000,461
BJ-1X	45	4	2,883,785	1,301,233	3,144,528
BJ-1DC	45	6	2,284,864	1,116,901	2,347,828
BJ-1	45	16	4,702,502	3,182,822	3,385,436
TBT-7M	50	2	4,797,983	1,984,551	5,623,797
TBT-7K	50	4	3,357,887	1,515,159	3,867,177
TBT-5N	50	0	2,837,155	1,066,827	4,186,745
TBT-5J	50	4	3,757,897	1,695,653	4,186,745
TBT-3C	50	0	3,163,695	1,189,612	4,503,816
HBK-4SP	50	22	5,841,934	4,613,035	3,632,484
HBK-4P	50	22	5,572,598	4,400,356	3,594,484
CN9-A	50	23	7,951,300	6,428,171	4,197,080
CN9-D	50	7	6,214,955	3,154,878	6,158,590
CN9-AL	50	15	4,955,681	3,261,010	3,552,238
CN9-YLW	50	17	5,963,697	4,148,567	4,829,827
HBK-4G	50	11	4,398,330	2,563,482	3,694,490
HBK-4H	50	8	3,858,495	2,031,219	3,646,484
HBK-4J	50	2	2,995,271	1,238,910	3,778,604
SHD-2H	55	23	7,215,507	5,833,324	4,549,382
SHD-2D2	55	33	8,486,055	7,637,450	4,729,388
SHD-5M	55	19	6,729,337	4,934,211	4,662,939
KTO-BOY	55	5	4,086,235	1,920,632	4,402,988
KTO-20	55	3	3,999,035	1,729,274	4,697,395
KTO-19	55	11	5,425,710	3,162,271	4,589,395
KTO-18	55	13	5,283,177	3,277,856	4,474,807
QKD-5K	60	5	5,244,412	2,465,004	5,578,867
QKD-4H	60	7	5,402,600	2,742,505	5,337,467
DGN-1C	60	3	3,879,399	1,677,541	4,745,200
DGN-1N	60	2	3,368,074	1,393,109	4,827,559
DGN-5N	60	3	4,167,467	1,802,108	5,097,559
DGN-FA	60	0	3,318,363	1,247,770	5,082,843
DGN-FL	60	2	4,219,575	1,745,308	5,502,987
QKD-4G	60	1	3,850,354	1,520,200	5,377,467
TDR-5S	65	6	5,465,370	2,671,614	5,583,922
TDR-5SS	65	7	5,647,017	2,866,577	5,553,829
TDR-9SE	65	8	5,643,716	2,971,009	5,293,947
CPLT-J	65	2	4,756,135	1,967,241	5,749,376
JM6-A	65	7	5,535,683	2,810,061	5,473,070
JM6-S	65	8	5,366,888	2,825,279	5,201,918
CPLT-A1	65	8	5,799,562	3,053,051	5,564,279
CPLT-C4	65	0	3,977,305	1,495,546	5,869,247
CPLT-C1	65	9	6,486,663	3,536,716	5,804,127
CPLT-K2	65	26	8,206,748	7,097,571	5,304,023
JM6-FB	65	3	5,813,222	2,513,770	6,828,398
JM6-DD	65	7	7,627,857	3,872,105	7,513,253
CTF-1X	70	7	6,059,892	3,076,164	5,950,963
CTF-3D	70	40	22,294,864	20,065,378	9,881,953
CTF-IM	70	9	6,700,548	3,653,332	6,382,984
CTF-4X	70	7	5,277,148	2,678,822	5,229,289
CTF-2X	70	2	4,463,295	1,846,116	5,755,995
ON1-M	75	0	4,558,701	1,714,162	7,715,293
ON1-PR	75	2	6,143,142	2,540,938	7,349,298
ON1-K	75	3	5,498,746	2,377,783	6,510,685
ON1-V	75	2	5,139,667	2,125,879	6,628,263
ON1-VA	75	1	4,341,936	1,714,287	6,247,565
VTR-9B	80	15	10,455,295	6,879,948	7,410,423
AWS-8V	80	0	3,966,090	1,491,329	6,574,390
AWS-8T	80	0	4,127,635	1,552,073	6,704,390
AWS-8R	80	0	4,421,264	1,662,483	6,524,390
AWS-9M	80	1	5,482,538	2,164,620	8,534,582
AWS-8Q	80	2	4,836,129	2,000,329	6,764,270
AWS-PB	80	1	5,478,977	2,163,214	8,529,038
VTR-DS	80	6	7,776,808	3,801,505	7,918,378
VTR-9S	80	17	11,079,450	7,707,273	7,440,407
VTR-9K	80	4	6,845,434	3,088,823	7,710,430
STK-4N	85	0	4,747,341	1,785,095	7,412,420
BLR-1D	85	6	7,556,713	3,693,916	7,738,298
BLR-1G	85	12	9,862,238	5,933,436	7,928,378
BLR-1S	85	4	7,006,922	3,161,690	7,892,324
STK-M	85	6	9,167,906	4,481,509	9,281,997
STK-3F	85	11	8,691,256	5,065,532	7,618,480
STK-3H	85	1	5,351,457	2,112,867	7,818,480
STK-5M	85	6	7,875,374	3,849,686	8,064,616
STK-5S	85	1	6,575,596	2,596,182	8,921,480
HGN-732	90	12	10,593,480	6,373,374	9,032,840
HGN-733P	90	5	7,703,139	3,620,667	8,520,422
HGN-733	90	10	9,430,134	5,318,877	8,504,422
HGN-733C	90	46	27,469,189	24,722,270	9,155,368
HGN-HM	90	17	12,162,882	8,460,948	8,621,039
AS7-K	100	4	9,809,256	4,426,170	11,691,066
AS7-D-DC	100	34	25,703,527	23,133,174	10,986,012
AS7-D	100	19	15,769,526	11,562,827	9,676,072
AS7-BH	100	4	9,369,457	4,227,722	10,495,728
AS7-RS	100	11	10,520,770	6,131,829	9,358,066

So what does this mean for balance? Well, I would assert that based on these numbers that there is no equal to the Jenner for scouting. For every other weight classes people don't know what to do. The CTF-3D is also an exception, as it is also unparalleled as a heavy sniper.

Seems like the most expensive mechs are jump snipers.

doesn't look to different from what would have been use on TT, Though I am pretty sure the Awesome would have ranked higher cause Ghost heat and stupid cyclic/heat issues didn't exist. Victors, though a sturdy build, did not get a lot of love.

[stjobe]

I wonder where these numbers are from; were there some restrictions on what one could take?

The reason I ask is that there are more mediums than heavies in that list (hell, there's more lights than heavies):

Lights: 201 (21.14%)
Mediums: 308 (32.39%)
Heavies: 187 (19.66%)
Assaults: 255 (26.81%)

It might just be that there's an over-representation of Shadow Hawks (75 all in all) and Jenners (111), but it quite surprised me to see heavies so under-represented; they are usually the most prevalent weight class.

Edited by stjobe, 11 November 2013 - 04:43 AM.

[KinLuu]

stjobe, on 11 November 2013 - 04:43 AM, said:

I wonder where these numbers are from; were there some restrictions on what one could take?

The reason I ask is that there are more mediums than heavies in that list (hell, there's more lights than heavies):

Lights: 201 (21.14%)
Mediums: 308 (32.39%)
Heavies: 187 (19.66%)
Assaults: 255 (26.81%)

It might just be that there's an over-representation of Shadow Hawks (75 all in all) and Jenners (111), but it quite surprised me to see heavies so under-represented; they are usually the most prevalent weight class.

There is one heavy worth taking, the 3D. And it slots in at 23M. For just 5M more you could have a 733C.

[-Natural Selection-]

Multitallented, on 11 November 2013 - 12:06 AM, said:

So what does this mean for balance? Well, I would assert that based on these numbers that there is no equal to the Jenner for scouting.
.

You mean "light assault" mech. An ecm mech is better suited for "scouting" so they don't get spotted as easy. But with map designs and depth of view the is no real need for scouts. Which is why a 6 energy light who takes the heat well, 152kph, and JJs would be better. But that is a no brainer with most players, not just "top players".

But that seems like a VERY small group of people to really base anything other than what works well against each other. If you are playing against same people over and over then there is little need to change what works.

[keith]

proxis was a boss league. too bad MWO went to 12v12 and it hard to find ppl to play this crappy game now. always had fun in it when it was 8v8. these mech charts should be used on how to buff/nerf mechs.

[Multitallented]

stjobe, on 11 November 2013 - 04:43 AM, said:

I wonder where these numbers are from; were there some restrictions on what one could take?

The reason I ask is that there are more mediums than heavies in that list (hell, there's more lights than heavies):

Lights: 201 (21.14%)
Mediums: 308 (32.39%)
Heavies: 187 (19.66%)
Assaults: 255 (26.81%)

It might just be that there's an over-representation of Shadow Hawks (75 all in all) and Jenners (111), but it quite surprised me to see heavies so under-represented; they are usually the most prevalent weight class.

Ya that really surprised me. I guess medium mechs are more versatile whereas the CTF-3D is one of the only obvious heavy to take. I think the real reason you see more mediums and heavies is because people don't have enough money to just buy tons of assaults. Some people go all out and buy the best of the best. Other's play bargain mechs and zerg rush.

Edited by Multitallented, 11 November 2013 - 07:38 AM.

[stjobe]

I guess the league these numbers are from used some kind of budget system to artificially restrict the more popular 'mechs, and that's why we see more mediums and lights than heavies.

That would explain all those strange prices as well.

[Mister Blastman]

Vassago Rain, on 11 November 2013 - 02:15 AM, said:

Shaqs will steal the medium slot once they release this month.

Shaqs are debateable.

[Deathlike]

stjobe, lemme fix your post:

stjobe, on 11 November 2013 - 04:08 AM, said:

Interesting figures.

For me as a primarily light pilot, there's some interesting conclusion to draw from that data:
* Jenners = dominant light
* JR7-F = most popular
* Lolcusts are DOA
* The Spider and Raven's ECM variants are the only competitive variants of those chassis that we care about.
* I wish there were more Commandos to troll Lolcusts.

Not any great revelations, but nice to get some numbers.

Fixed.

Starting to love the Commandos... I'm not thinking it should be a starter light, but these mechs pay for themselves better than a Jenner or Raven due to engine costs.

Mister Blastman, on 11 November 2013 - 07:44 AM, said:

Shaqs are debateable.

It is undebatable that I'll get a Shaqhawk when it is released.

[Mister Blastman]

Deathlike, on 11 November 2013 - 01:08 PM, said:

It is undebatable that I'll get a Shaqhawk when it is released.

Well that much I won't debate with you or myself, either. I'm gonna get one too. Will I like them more than my Blackjack? Dunno yet.

Edited by Mister Blastman, 11 November 2013 - 01:10 PM.

[KinLuu]

Mister Blastman, on 11 November 2013 - 01:10 PM, said:

Well that much I won't debate with you or myself, either. I'm gonna get one too. Will I like them more than my Blackjack? Dunno yet.

Yes.

[Mister Blastman]

KinLuu, on 11 November 2013 - 01:11 PM, said:

Yes.

But Blackjacks are badass, tiny and sneaky. Shadowhawks are big. That's what I'm afraid of. The only thing that could make a BJ better is if it were a... ShadowCAT.

[focuspark]

Mister Blastman, on 11 November 2013 - 01:16 PM, said:

But Blackjacks are badass, tiny and sneaky. Shadowhawks are big. That's what I'm afraid of. The only thing that could make a BJ better is if it were a... ShadowCAT.

Shadow Hawks are tall, but that means they can get that ballistics hard point(s) over things to fire. Every map (except Alpine) the shadow hawk is my favorite mech.

[KinLuu]

Mister Blastman, on 11 November 2013 - 01:16 PM, said:

But Blackjacks are badass, tiny and sneaky. Shadowhawks are big. That's what I'm afraid of. The only thing that could make a BJ better is if it were a... ShadowCAT.

The Shadowhawk is tall, yes. But it is also very slim. And slim targets are hard to hit with ballistics, because of how convergeance works.

The Blackjack is small, yes. But it is also rather wide. And wide targets are... do the math.