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[_NARCoMAN_]

I have a build I would like some feedback on:

http://mwo.smurfy-ne...cd51ec2856df031

About the best I can come up with besides the obvious Gauss+PPC

[waterfowl]

If you're gonna brawl with SRMs it might be a good idea to put some more back armor on your torsos, especially the one full of ammo. I've had more than a few instances of MOTHER ****** KABOOM! on the summoner, since the head and legs are off limits :/

You might wanna try dumping the heat sinks and two ammos for Large Pulse Lasers, the ERs are pretty sub par at brawling since you can't twist while they're pooping out blue stuff, but that's just me

Med pulses / ERs + artemis on the SRMs could work too

Edited by waterfowl, 19 August 2014 - 03:23 PM.

[IraqiWalker]

Try this one as well.

SMN-PRIME

Surprisingly effective in a 200-500Meter scuffle. I use it as a second line mech, and a flanker.

Don't forget to adjust the armor values. I literally clicked max armor, and then shaved some off to get the desired weight.

[1453 R]

C-ERLL and SRM launchers no longer play nicely together. They never did really, but the 2s burn time on the C-ERLL has pretty much completely removed it from the brawl.

You could swap the dual beams for a single C-ERPPC, like so, and pitch a heat sink in order to slap the Artemis button like I did there. Or throw an extra heat sink back on, if you prefer that. The C-ERPPC is more reliable, even in close quarters, than the large lasers are.

Another possible (though questionable) route to go is to downgrade the larges to C-ERML, which are currently still amazing, dump the spare sinks and the half-ton of AMS ammo, and use the weight to bolt a C-UAC/5 into the right torso, like so. It does not have enough gun ammo in this thirty-second mod, and it's also a three-weapon-group 'Mech (I have a Naga and so think nothing of three or four weapon groups, but I totally understand that two-button mouse folks like two-button 'Mechs), but it provides some low-heat dakka to keep heads down at a distance and help cover your own approach.

Whatever you do with it though, I'd get those large lasers off of it. They just don't work well anymore.

[John80sk]

2 cents? AMS isn't worth the tonnage. Even two AMS hardly make a dent in heavy LRM spam.

Personally running 2PPC's and 3SRM6. The Summoner is sub-par no matter what you do with it in all honesty. Hopefully some decent quirks are on the way.

[IraqiWalker]

John80sk, on 19 August 2014 - 03:32 PM, said:

2 cents? AMS isn't worth the tonnage. Even two AMS hardly make a dent in heavy LRM spam.

Personally running 2PPC's and 3SRM6. The Summoner is sub-par no matter what you do with it in all honesty. Hopefully some decent quirks are on the way.

Tell that to the 300+ missiles my AMS destroys every match. (that's 330 points of damage blocked, at least)

[n r g]

Asheron Realaidain, on 19 August 2014 - 12:59 PM, said:

I have a build I would like some feedback on:

http://mwo.smurfy-ne...cd51ec2856df031

About the best I can come up with besides the obvious Gauss+PPC

If you're going to use SRMS, might aswell use Medium lasers to compliment instead of Large lasers dude.

And 1cgauss 1cerppc on summoner IS and WAS a joke. More a joke now than anything because of the JJ nerf (making the 5JJ's on the summoner essentially completely wasted tonnage) and the ppc nerf, really negating the long range effects of the PPC.

IMO, the 1cUAC5/1cAC5 x 2cERPPC summoner was much more viable prior to the JJ/PPC nerf. Although, there was no reason to take one over a timberwolf (lol), especially now.

so yeah, medium lasers + srm's or 2erppc/1ac5/1uac5

[Mister Blastman]

IraqiWalker, on 19 August 2014 - 03:26 PM, said:

Try this one as well.

SMN-PRIME

Surprisingly effective in a 200-500Meter scuffle. I use it as a second line mech, and a flanker.

Don't forget to adjust the armor values. I literally clicked max armor, and then shaved some off to get the desired weight.

Not enough ammo. You'll burn through that in seconds. You need at least five tons.

[_NARCoMAN_]

Thank you all for the help!

[waterfowl]

John80sk, on 19 August 2014 - 03:32 PM, said:

2 cents? AMS isn't worth the tonnage. Even two AMS hardly make a dent in heavy LRM spam.

Personally running 2PPC's and 3SRM6. The Summoner is sub-par no matter what you do with it in all honesty. Hopefully some decent quirks are on the way.

they're certainly worth it. Maybe they won't block LRM40 spam but they'll certainly stop LRM10 volleys, and paired with friendly AMS they can stop LRMs alltogether. I don't know what the numbers are, but if they stop 20% of the incoming LRMs, that's worth it ... 3 tons for 20% damage reduction

[IraqiWalker]

Mister Blastman, on 19 August 2014 - 04:27 PM, said:

Not enough ammo. You'll burn through that in seconds. You need at least five tons.

Yeah I know. I do burn through it a lot. My own modification strips a lot more armor (2 tons to be specific) to add the needed ammo. Even 5 tons is still not enough sometimes.

[a gaijin]

In all honesty I don't know why the stock summoner prime doesnt work for you.
Then again I don't brawl with mine unless it's a 1v1 dual -- which is rare in a pug drop.

I use my prime in a fire support/assault escort role and that's something the Summoner Prime does very well.

The ERPPC/LBX combo is *great* for opening up armor and grinding internals

Just tweak armor ratings to your play style (i.e. more armor on legs if u like jumping a lot)
If you want a brawler I think the B (*no* LRMs!!) or D is much better suited to that play style

[Koniks]

waterfowl, on 19 August 2014 - 03:15 PM, said:

You might wanna try dumping the heat sinks and two ammos for Large Pulse Lasers, the ERs are pretty sub par at brawling since you can't twist while they're pooping out blue stuff, but that's just me

Med pulses / ERs + artemis on the SRMs could work too

2xLPL, 2xASRM6, 2xMG works alright, too.

[John80sk]

IraqiWalker, on 19 August 2014 - 03:51 PM, said:

Tell that to the 300+ missiles my AMS destroys every match. (that's 330 points of damage blocked, at least)

300+ missiles maybe, but that's assuming those missiles would have hit in the first place. If you want to support your team against missiles ECM is a thousand times more effective. More likely you're preventing ~150 damage if you're shooting down 300 of them, 150 spread damage on top of that.

[IraqiWalker]

John80sk, on 20 August 2014 - 03:06 PM, said:

300+ missiles maybe, but that's assuming those missiles would have hit in the first place. If you want to support your team against missiles ECM is a thousand times more effective. More likely you're preventing ~150 damage if you're shooting down 300 of them, 150 spread damage on top of that.

You do see the point here, right? 150, 500, it's still damage being completely prevented.

[John80sk]

IraqiWalker, on 20 August 2014 - 03:13 PM, said:

You do see the point here, right? 150, 500, it's still damage being completely prevented.

I didn't say it was useless, I said it wasn't worth the tonnage. Dedicating 3+ tons to AMS just to defeat a situational weapon system? No thanks.

[IraqiWalker]

John80sk, on 20 August 2014 - 05:22 PM, said:

I didn't say it was useless, I said it wasn't worth the tonnage. Dedicating 3+ tons to AMS just to defeat a situational weapon system? No thanks.

It's useful in solo queue. Extremely, considering you definitely need to bring it, to support your team. Especially considering how easy to kill with LRMs people are in the lower elo brackets.

[waterfowl]

John80sk, on 20 August 2014 - 05:22 PM, said:

I didn't say it was useless, I said it wasn't worth the tonnage. Dedicating 3+ tons to AMS just to defeat a situational weapon system? No thanks.

I thought this once, then I played the game more.

Solo queue is like rolling dice, sometimes you won't have ECM or the jackass will run off and die. Half the team bringing AMS mitigates this randomness. Not to mention tags and NARCs.

And LRMs are not "situational", they're prevalent, and extremely deadly. They require little to no mechanical skill to use unlike the other weapons, so almost anyone can pick them up and be as good as the best "LRM pro", as long as they know when and when not to fire. A boat with 1400 ammo is 1400 potential damage. In solo queue where there is little to no strategy, it is very easy for LRMs to be deadly

AMS is a team effort more than anything else, because they're **** on their own. A two AMS boat is great, because it means that's one less person on your team who had to have brought AMS to reduce the ECM dice roll

Edited by waterfowl, 21 August 2014 - 12:03 AM.

[John80sk]

Caustic is the only map I see LRM's as a serious threat on. If my teammates aren't smart enough to evade the average LRM boat, then chances are they only would have been meat shields anyways.

I personally find myself dying very, very rarely to LRM's. As a result, I'd rather have those 3 tons dedicated to more killing power to deal with the real threats.

On top of this, the Summoner is tonnage starved, and can't afford extra's that some mech's can. Some mechs that rock dual AMS can run it with very little issue, but the Summoner... you need that tonnage to not get roflstomped by every other heavy.

@OP: http://mwo.smurfy-ne...8f75096cdafd525

I would suggest something like this.

[DONTOR]

waterfowl, on 19 August 2014 - 03:15 PM, said:

ERs are pretty sub par at brawling since you can't twist while they're pooping out blue stuff, but that's just me

Well said!