211 replies to this topic

[Amro One]

It is nice to see IS pilots don't know how to fight the clanners, maybe they should go read some books on the invasion. lol

[Goose]

I hope y'all are learning something about your release valves with this fiasco …

[Ash Rose]

Jazriel, on 16 September 2014 - 04:10 PM, said:

It is nice to see IS pilots don't know how to fight the clanners, maybe they should go read some books on the invasion. lol

I am not the biggest battletech nerd, but didn't they defeat them by exploiting clan honor/tactics? A thing that is not enforced on clan players in any way shape or form in the game?

I also seem to recall some absurd plot armor being how many named pilots overtook clanners.

[mongo2006]

OMG let the moaning begin!!!

[Empyrus]

axelsoar, on 16 September 2014 - 04:23 PM, said:

I am not the biggest battletech nerd, but didn't they defeat them by exploiting clan honor/tactics? A thing that is not enforced on clan players in any way shape or form in the game?

I also seem to recall some absurd plot armor being how many named pilots overtook clanners.

There's no reliable way to beat the Clans really.
Exploiting honor worked at first but they caught up soon.
At range the Clans have advantage... but unfortunately this applies to close combat too, since some Clan weapon counterparts don't have minimum range, or have shorter min-range, or they they're just plan more powerful. And their extended range allows them to kill enemies before they get close. Physical combat works, if only because the Clans are not trained in it really, and many Omnimechs are ill-equipped for a brawl (no hands).
The IS doesn't have a mobility advantage either, the Clan mechs are typically more mobile than equivalent IS mech (eg, standard IS heavy moves 64kph, the standard Clan speed is 81kph).

EDIT Focus firing and ambushes work. But they don't work well in MWO for various reasons...

Edited by Empyrus, 16 September 2014 - 04:39 PM.

[Russ Bullock]

Okay I think I am going to bring the test down early at 6pm, we did manage to get some good test data - basically enough.

A few were upset about the test I guess railroading their night with matches that are unfair. A misjudgetment on my part I suppose, I thought everyone would love it. Perhaps most did.

Anyhow going to edit the original post and have the guys bring it down in 20 minutes.

[Redshift2k5]

I'm disapointed I missed it, c'est la vie

[Bhelogan]

Actually seeing more IS pilots figuring out you have to swarm and fast..... 2-1 so far

[Markoxford]

Russ - no problem ! I ran IS to help get you the data, (complainers will always complain ..lol)

[Russ Bullock]

Here is the basic data collected from a sample of 268 IS vs Clan matches.

Clan win rate of 73%

This is a reduction from 90%

So actually I am pretty happy with seeing this change. Now we follow through on IS quirks and the Clan RT/LT changes.

[LordLosh]

K, sounds good Russ just give my Atlas and Banshee some good luv and ill slip you some money under the table wink wink.

Edited by LordLosh, 16 September 2014 - 04:50 PM.

[hutzlibu]

bump for 12 vs 10

Just had stomps over me yet.

Those times, when IS might have won, the clan side probably just consisted out of trial-newbs

Edited by hutzlibu, 16 September 2014 - 04:50 PM.

[Dracol]

Had a chance to finally get a clan v IS match under my belt. Very different feel to it compared to a regular night of solo drops.

3 games, 5/12, 6/12, and 7/12

The more talking coordination we IS did, the better our results.

[hutzlibu]

Russ Bullock, on 16 September 2014 - 04:48 PM, said:

Here is the basic data collected from a sample of 268 IS vs Clan matches.

Clan win rate of 73%

This is a reduction from 90%

So actually I am pretty happy with seeing this change. Now we follow through on IS quirks and the Clan RT/LT changes.

So you are targeting for 50% ?

Why???

I thought clan is supposed to be stronger?

[ArcDemon]

I guess I shouldn't be surprised at how unbalanced it is. I've played 3 matches so far and the results where the same for all of them:

5 minute roll
5 minute roll
6 minute roll (desert requires some walking)







The Clans desperately need some buffing.

[Empyrus]

hutzlibu, on 16 September 2014 - 04:51 PM, said:

So you are targeting for 50% ?

Why???

I thought clan is supposed to be stronger?

Faction warfare is IS vs Clan so the win rate should be equal. The Clans have better tech, yes, as it should be. But the win rate is another matter.

[r4p70r]

I played my Clan Mechs a few matches and its boring, i stop now playing since this is over.
Poor IS guys, i didnt touch one of my IS Mechs because i know it will be frustrtating.
PLS nerf Clans or buff IS, we need balance in a PvP game, one way or another but just balance it, dont care about TT.
In every PvP game i played there was a need for blance otherwise its just boring for one side and they leave, if you want clan versus clan only, then keep going this way, good luck.
And tihs has nothing to do with whining, i have IS and Clan Mechs and everyone who dont see that this is the wrong way for a PvP game have no clue about PvP.
You guys really want to be op in your clan mechs, this cant be fun just like LRM spamming?

[Triordinant]

PewPew2, on 16 September 2014 - 03:37 PM, said:

Ok so I'm reinstalling for the first time in at least a year and a half. Yay! Anyway on the first pic is that Russ Bullock himself on the bottom of the list? Also, the Clans are SUPPOSED to be superior to the IS. Please don't make them equal. If anything they should be 12v10 drops clans getting the 10 spot.

I agree with 12 vs 10 but you're too late. They've already rejected the 12 vs 10 setup for "technical" reasons. Now PGI has no choice but to make Clan and IS 'mechs equal otherwise almost no one will play IS when Community Warfare starts.

[Kiiyor]

Russ Bullock, on 16 September 2014 - 04:40 PM, said:

Okay I think I am going to bring the test down early at 6pm, we did manage to get some good test data - basically enough.

A few were upset about the test I guess railroading their night with matches that are unfair. A misjudgetment on my part I suppose, I thought everyone would love it. Perhaps most did.

Anyhow going to edit the original post and have the guys bring it down in 20 minutes.

Hey, I loved it. SCIENCE.

[Murphy7]

I had a good time, it was worth doing. Still is