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[Vassago Rain]

[Willard Phule]

Dirkdaring, on 30 November 2014 - 09:35 AM, said:

BS. I read this forum daily. Put your money where your mouth is. Show some threads where people complained about 2 mans in solo queue. We'll wait.

Good luck finding anything in these forums, but he's right. There WERE a lot of complaints about it, I was one of the ones doing the complaining (as if it meant anything).

It certainly can, and does, effect the gameplay in the Solo Queue. If having just a couple of high ranked players from the Group Queue come in for an event weekend causes it to pack the team with 40-50% low Elo players to balance the teams, then there's no way in hell they can add 2 man groups in unless they change the way the group's Elo is determined.

The matchmaker was rewritten around the time of the Clan release. You can find that link easily enough in one of the June patch notes. Besides adding 3/3/3/3 to the filter, it changed the way Elos were handled. The matchmaker does it's best now to make sure both teams have an equal "team average" Elo score. Each "group" in the team has a score that is the average of everyone in it.

So, if you had an ultra-high Elo player grouped with a new guy, their average Elo score would be completely out of whack for determining team average. The team that gets these guys is going to have one guy that's barely able to walk without running into walls with an Elite bodyguard....the other team gets to play against a team that's been Gimped by two guys because someone is using it as a tutorial to teach someone how to play at everyone else's expense.

We're the closest thing PGI has to a "tutorial" right now. The one they came up with is both useless and voluntary. Quite often, we run into new players in general populace and are expected to be the ones to teach them how to play....for free. I really, REALLY, do not want to be a training aid at my own expense as well.

Edited by Willard Phule, 30 November 2014 - 09:50 AM.

[Furious Zen Master]

Viges, on 30 November 2014 - 03:58 AM, said:

All those people that want to enter the game for the first time and win otherwise "it's horrible experience" - lol at you, return to play solo games only, you are not warriors and are not welcome here.

Dude, you are not a warrior, you are sitting in front of a computer going *click*, *click*, *click*.
Seriously.

[Willard Phule]

Mudhutwarrior, on 30 November 2014 - 09:40 AM, said:

Definitely must be the time frame. I am on hours before you and maybe some after as I am eastern. Start around 430 am til maybe 8 am then later in the day in afternoon drive time. I hit mostly the same players in the morning as there is a slot the groups synching fall into. I assume before school because of the antics and chat displayed. If I get lucky to stay awake in the evening some of the real good players come out and the best matches generally. If I cant sleep 2am to 4am eastern is mostly the EU and Russia and no matter what is said the Russians are usually very good and worth the lack of sleep. The EU players are a mixed bag like American just with less E-peen.

No can do, man. I might be disabled and unemployed, but I've still got responsibilities. Can't help getting up at 4am anymore, it just happens. I leave to take the kids to school at 6:30 and I'm moving from then on. Pretty much the same thing on the weekends, except that I play a bit later sometimes. Depends on who's up and yelling. Freakin' teenagers.

Mudhutwarrior, on 30 November 2014 - 09:40 AM, said:

Don't question the self appointed expert of MWO..

Yeah, blah blah blah.

[TB Freelancer]

To be perfectly blunt anyone who finds the group queue too hard wouldn't find the game any easier if they were allowed to run as a 2 man in the solo queue. I'd be willing to bet they'd experience the exact opposite to what they were hoping for.

Those of us who would reap the rewards have no business mixing with pugs and are precisely why it will never happen.

[Mudhutwarrior]

Willard Phule, on 30 November 2014 - 09:49 AM, said:

No can do, man. I might be disabled and unemployed, but I've still got responsibilities. Can't help getting up at 4am anymore, it just happens. I leave to take the kids to school at 6:30 and I'm moving from then on. Pretty much the same thing on the weekends, except that I play a bit later sometimes. Depends on who's up and yelling. Freakin' teenagers.



Yeah, blah blah blah.

Haven't been able to sleep past 5 since I left service. No matter how late I stay up. Can't grow may hair long either. Can't really see after being injured.
Lesson is stay the hell out of the military.

[Triordinant]

EnzyteBob82, on 29 November 2014 - 02:04 PM, said:

I suppose all I'm saying is, why not allow 2 man groups in the solo queue? Its too small a group to make any kind of difference in there anyhow. And its not nearly big enough to make a difference against 4 man and higher drops in the group queue.

It seems as though 2 man groups really don't have a home in this game, and it sucks because it wasn't always the case. Why not let 2 mans in the solo queue?

Here's the history. Almost no one wants to play against the big organized well-trained Units. In order to save the game (players were leaving in droves after being repeatedly curbstomped by big organized Units), PGI created a solo-only queue to keep the big Units from preying on the casual PUGs that made up the vast majority of players. However, they also wanted to retain the big organized Units who were not playing because they had to wait forever to find a match for their 12-man teams or were being limited to 4-man teams. Someone had to get the shaft and I suspect rather than sticking it to the solo players (who are by far the most numerous) or the big organized Units (who are supposedly the biggest spenders of real money per player), they decided the short end of the stick would go to the small casual groups (who are neither the most numerous nor the biggest spenders).

PGI already stated that groups of any size will not be allowed in the solo-only queue because their data shows that queue is nearly perfect the way it is and 2-mans are more unbalancing than we think. The only solution I can see on the horizon is PGI rolling out Community Warfare as soon as possible. Hopefully, most of those big, organized and well-trained Units no one wants to play with will migrate there, leaving the group queue mostly to small, casual groups. It's unlikely 2-mans will ever be allowed in the solo-only queue so wait 2 or 3 weeks and see if anything improves in the group queue.

[Quaamik]

There are a LOT of things PGI said that have since been changed.

Just saying......

[Zepster]

To the original poster here. MWO is a TEAM game and should be played as such. Your whole notion of allowing 2 man groups in the solo queue precludes just that. Either play in solo queue or find a larger group to play with. There are plenty of TS servers that are wide open to allow 2 man groups to find larger ones. Problem solved. Stop trying to change the game to YOUR liking when the larger community as well as PGI have engineered it differently.........

[Fragnot]

I think the current set up of group que and solo que is just fine as-is considering how small the community of players is.

If we want more drop options, the pool of players needs to grow. So I hope everyone refers friends, keeps the forums positive, and is willing to drop a few bucks on this game to keep it developing. I also hope this game ends up on Steam, it seems like that would be a huge boost in exposure. Have the devs ever commented on that?

[EnzyteBob82]

Zepster, on 30 November 2014 - 01:52 PM, said:

To the original poster here. MWO is a TEAM game and should be played as such. Your whole notion of allowing 2 man groups in the solo queue precludes just that. Either play in solo queue or find a larger group to play with. There are plenty of TS servers that are wide open to allow 2 man groups to find larger ones. Problem solved. Stop trying to change the game to YOUR liking when the larger community as well as PGI have engineered it differently.........

Please don't assume to know everything about me or how I play. Not everyone wants to wear headphones or talk on a mic just to enjoy a video game. (I have extremely good hair, really don't want to mess it up) Nor do I have the desire to get know and talk to people I don't give two shits about, again, just to enjoy a video game. My brother and I play in the same room. We can just talk to each other while enjoying the full effects of our individual surround sound systems.

The real issue is that PGI won't do a VoIP system. So we are stuck with the crap we have now.

I own over 60 mechs. I have invested hundreds of dollars into this game. This was done BEFORE they changed the system. BEFORE they changed a gaming experience that my brother and I enjoyed and turned it into garbage. If i were just getting into the game in its current form, I would have uninstalled it within a couple of hours. I believe I have a legit gripe, and others seem to agree. Please don't come in here with nothing constructive to say.

All that being said, perhaps groups of two in the solo queue is too controversial? My apologies for bringing up an "old topic". I don't have the time, or energy to read video game forums every day. In response, how would people feel about creating a new queue? One for groups of 2-4 players only? Is everyone happy then?

[Sandpit]

EnzyteBob82, on 30 November 2014 - 04:53 PM, said:

The real issue is that PGI won't do a VoIP system. So we are stuck with the crap we have now.

then make a suggestion regarding implementation of in-game voip instead of putting 2mans into solo queue?

[Vassago Rain]

EnzyteBob82, on 30 November 2014 - 04:53 PM, said:

Please don't assume to know everything about me or how I play. Not everyone wants to wear headphones or talk on a mic just to enjoy a video game. (I have extremely good hair, really don't want to mess it up) Nor do I have the desire to get know and talk to people I don't give two shits about, again, just to enjoy a video game. My brother and I play in the same room. We can just talk to each other while enjoying the full effects of our individual surround sound systems.

The real issue is that PGI won't do a VoIP system. So we are stuck with the crap we have now.

I own over 60 mechs. I have invested hundreds of dollars into this game. This was done BEFORE they changed the system. BEFORE they changed a gaming experience that my brother and I enjoyed and turned it into garbage. If i were just getting into the game in its current form, I would have uninstalled it within a couple of hours. I believe I have a legit gripe, and others seem to agree. Please don't come in here with nothing constructive to say.

All that being said, perhaps groups of two in the solo queue is too controversial? My apologies for bringing up an "old topic". I don't have the time, or energy to read video game forums every day. In response, how would people feel about creating a new queue? One for groups of 2-4 players only? Is everyone happy then?

They're not gonna make another queue, and they're not ever gonna let groups, no matter how small, into the solo ghetto.

[EnzyteBob82]

Sandpit, on 30 November 2014 - 04:55 PM, said:

then make a suggestion regarding implementation of in-game voip instead of putting 2mans into solo queue?

I only came to that conclusion after starting this thread and reading the responses. But good troll.......getting closer to 13k posts aren't you? Holy crap you need a life.

Vassago Rain, on 30 November 2014 - 05:05 PM, said:

They're not gonna make another queue, and they're not ever gonna let groups, no matter how small, into the solo ghetto.

And you work for PGI? I assume by your use of the word "They're", that you don't. Thanks for stopping by......

[Sandpit]

EnzyteBob82, on 30 November 2014 - 06:49 PM, said:

I only came to that conclusion after starting this thread and reading the responses. But good troll.......getting closer to 13k posts aren't you? Holy crap you need a life.



And you work for PGI? I assume by your use of the word "They're", that you don't. Thanks for stopping by......

I'm a troll?
For suggesting that you make a thread regarding your issue with the game instead of commenting on putting 2mans into the solo queue to solve an issue you have?

You offered nothing except name calling in your post and insulting others. Perhaps you should look into a mirror before accusing others of trolling sir?

[Siegegun]

Attacks on someone personally do not get your point across. Just 4 posts above your number 76, you are berating others for making "assumptions" about you and your time, but then turn round and rip on sand for his forum post numbers? You do not know how much time they have, why they might have time, or anything else. Also who are you to judge how any one uses THIER time?

Hypocrite much?

[EnzyteBob82]

Sandpit, on 30 November 2014 - 06:52 PM, said:

I'm a troll?
For suggesting that you make a thread regarding your issue with the game instead of commenting on putting 2mans into the solo queue to solve an issue you have?

You offered nothing except name calling in your post and insulting others. Perhaps you should look into a mirror before accusing others of trolling sir?

I started the thread........so yes it came off that way. My apologies.

[EnzyteBob82]

Anyhow, I'm over it. This **** is dumb. I'll just accept that the game Ive spent good money on has changed to the point that It will never be what it was and find something else. Nothing but close mindedness and bickering in here. Silly of me to think that a mature conversation about a real issue could actually take place.

So much hate for PGI floating around in the little time I've spent reading things. But how in the hell are they supposed to decipher what we want as a community when they have to wade through this much bullshit?

I ask about the possibility of a 2-4 man queue because my initial thoughts of allowing 2 mans in the solo were not well recepted and all I get are unintelligible responses. Then, when I call the offenders out on it, I get attacked? Lame.

Good luck PGI, you have a really good group to try and take care of.

Edited by EnzyteBob82, 30 November 2014 - 08:48 PM.

[Viges]

KuroNyra, on 30 November 2014 - 04:53 AM, said:

There is nothing between, if you want to invite a friend to try the game, and he lik it. Screw it, you can't play with them because you will be forced to fight guys who could eat him alive in a 1 vs 1, so let's not talk about 4 vs 1.

Why on hell should it be different? If I play this game for a year and you enter for the first time and lose - IT IS NORMAL for any online game. If you can't understand that - play offline. IT IS FAIR that player who played more has better chances of winning.

And this game doesn't even have an equipment progressing like most online games, where you would not have ANY chances of winning. And here you have it at least.

mania3c, on 30 November 2014 - 06:41 AM, said:

.except 2 man have much more common with solo play

Nope.

Major Tryhard, on 30 November 2014 - 09:46 AM, said:

Dude, you are not a warrior, you are sitting in front of a computer going *click*, *click*, *click*.
Seriously.

Yea, and still there are much more people for which losing in a computer game is "a horrible experience".

And personally I don't want to see those people in mwo.

[Navy Sixes]

So, there's this thing premade groups used to say to the solo PUGs whenever they QQ'd about prems in the solo queue. It went something like this:

This is a game that is supposed to reward teamwork. Coordinated premades are supposed to have an advantage over solo players. If you don't like it, quit complaining about the "premade boogieman." Quit being an anti-social underhive whiner and get into a group yourself!

So now, 2-man premades in the group queue seem to be the new delicate flowers of the MW:O community. Group queue is too hard for them! Of course they're not really any good. Of course they're just a couple of babes-in-the-woods who know nothing of the game. Heck, they're usually an octogenarian paraplegic who just figured out how to turn on a computer last week and is just trying to drop with his 3-week-old great-granddaughter for some innocent fun. Let 'em in the solo PUGs... they won't be a problem, promise. Think about the children...

So say we let that two-man in the solo queues. And say that two-man comes upon a real solo player who is new to the game, as many of us were, without the benefit of some good and seasoned buddy on teamspeak to show us the ropes. What about that person's "initial gaming experience?" Suddenly grampy n' tiny tot are tough-love loud n' proud: "Teamwork is OP! Get in a group or get out, Skrubchop! Lolololololol..."

So, to all the 2-man delicate flowers out there, I say this:
This is a game that is supposed to reward teamwork. 12-man-premades are supposed to have an advantage over 2-man premades. If you don't like it, quit complaining about the "12-man-boogieman." Quit being an anti-social underhive whiner and get into a 12-man yourself!

You and a buddy want to learn to play in a solo environment? Then you and your buddy are gonna have to learn to play solo, just like everyone else there. How is that not fair?