Grand council thread
#21
Posted 27 November 2011 - 01:18 PM
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http://www.widowmakers.com/forums/
http://www.novacrusader.com/cbs/
http://hellshorses.net/
#22
Posted 27 November 2011 - 01:59 PM
#24
Posted 27 November 2011 - 02:20 PM
#25
Posted 27 November 2011 - 02:28 PM
DCleric, on 27 November 2011 - 02:20 PM, said:
To Clan warriors it is a personal thing. You don't need the help of comrades to defeat your enemy, any Inner Sphere warrior who firest upon you would be fair game under honor level 2, since it is he who challenged you. From a Clan POV it is perceived that the IS warrior wants to challenge you because he wants a greater challenge (eventhough he really only wanted a cheap shot at you.)
It basically boils down to "look at how badass I am".
#26
Posted 27 November 2011 - 02:34 PM
Seth, on 27 November 2011 - 01:59 PM, said:
Indeed. Good to see you posting around ovkhan.
I am Jaroth Winson of Clan Wolf. I stand ready to unite the Clans if the originators such as Stormwolf & Seth deem me worthy.
#27
Posted 27 November 2011 - 02:50 PM
truth is we are a tiny clan, and moving from mwll to this does not look like a very big possibility. I cannot speak for individual members of course.
We support the formation of the clans for this game, if (and its a big if) we do not end up with the mass exodus to the clans because our stuff is just better
#28
Posted 27 November 2011 - 03:24 PM
#29
Posted 27 November 2011 - 03:41 PM
Edited by KingCobra, 27 November 2011 - 03:46 PM.
#30
Posted 27 November 2011 - 03:49 PM
KingCobra, on 27 November 2011 - 03:41 PM, said:
Fair enough.
#31
Posted 27 November 2011 - 05:29 PM
#32
Posted 27 November 2011 - 05:41 PM
I sincerely hope that clan honor in general will be part of the clan leveling system.
#33
Posted 27 November 2011 - 10:19 PM
However, we will not hinder ourselves in what we feel is an equal fight.
That being said, we still need to see what kind of limitations the devs design into the clan tech. Historically heat has been the balance between clan and IS tech in previous MW games. What would really keep them from changing that?
#34
Posted 27 November 2011 - 11:29 PM
#35
Posted 28 November 2011 - 07:14 AM
But really a current target claim command is one of the only ways I see it working. Someone interferes with your duel THEY lose the honor/exp points not the warrior engaged. It can easily be done maybe a shift + T or something when you have the mech you want to challenge.
#36
Posted 28 November 2011 - 07:27 AM
CoffiNail, on 28 November 2011 - 07:14 AM, said:
My only concern with that depends on the reward system for the game. If you have something like Battlefield where more kills = more rewards, then the reward for adhering to honor needs to be comparable to the lost kills. Otherwise you more or less require people to break Zellbrigen to remain competitive.
#37
Posted 28 November 2011 - 08:00 AM
Stormwolf I may hate the wolves with a passion but some would be true crusader and hold to their honor, if you abide by this path I will fight along side that cause.
*edit* (Also you should have chat access, we had to approve your app)
Edited by Amarus Cameron, 28 November 2011 - 08:01 AM.
#38
Posted 28 November 2011 - 09:05 AM
We can't afford to cut corners, roleplaying and canon consistency be damned. Remember that this is how the Clans lost the invasion: Their honor-centric combat was useless against the ruthlessly pragmatic Inner Sphere. And I don't know about you guys, but I don't want to be penalized for "breaking Zellbrigen" when I'm being ********** by two heavy mechs.
I shoot cockpits and I leg mechs like a ************. Because it wins.
#39
Posted 28 November 2011 - 09:12 AM
Mr. Freeze, on 28 November 2011 - 09:05 AM, said:
They broke Zel first. At that point, if it were designed correctly, you wouldn't be penalized.
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Also not a violation of Zel.
#40
Posted 28 November 2011 - 11:37 AM
Jaroth Winson, on 27 November 2011 - 02:34 PM, said:
Indeed. Good to see you posting around ovkhan.
I am Jaroth Winson of Clan Wolf. I stand ready to unite the Clans if the originators such as Stormwolf & Seth deem me worthy.
Ressk, on 27 November 2011 - 02:50 PM, said:
truth is we are a tiny clan, and moving from mwll to this does not look like a very big possibility. I cannot speak for individual members of course.
We support the formation of the clans for this game, if (and its a big if) we do not end up with the mass exodus to the clans because our stuff is just better
UltraMek, on 27 November 2011 - 05:29 PM, said:
Good, now I only need a 100+ more guys like you three
KingCobra, on 27 November 2011 - 03:41 PM, said:
Players can rise and fall from their positions of power, besides, I somehow do not think that the game will implement Khan or SaKhan ranks. Any, the Grand Council primarily exists as a mechanism to achieve two things:
1. The Clans should fight like Clans, many of the more hardcore players will be rather displeased if two guys in "Vultures" offer to help him by showering his opponent with LRM's.
2. We kinda need to balance the game for the IS players, their game will be ruined if players abuse the Clan tech.
You should view it as traffic rules, there is nothing to prevent you from speeding on a road where the police never checks. Although things would get nasty if you cause a accident because of were speeding.
Think about it.
Colddawg, on 27 November 2011 - 10:19 PM, said:
However, we will not hinder ourselves in what we feel is an equal fight.
That being said, we still need to see what kind of limitations the devs design into the clan tech. Historically heat has been the balance between clan and IS tech in previous MW games. What would really keep them from changing that?
Interesting, what canon Clan(s) would you guys join?
Seth, on 27 November 2011 - 11:29 PM, said:
I bet that you know from experience that the Hellbringer lives up to its name in more then one way.
You would need parts to keep your salvaged mechs in working order. Besides, those mechs would likely break down over time if the Devs follow the Avatar fluff in the original TRO 3058. And on top of that, it would be a challenge to fight dishonorable players in Clan tech mechs.
CoffiNail, on 28 November 2011 - 07:14 AM, said:
But really a current target claim command is one of the only ways I see it working. Someone interferes with your duel THEY lose the honor/exp points not the warrior engaged. It can easily be done maybe a shift + T or something when you have the mech you want to challenge.
I really like this idea, I hope the Devs are reading this.
Renegade, on 28 November 2011 - 07:27 AM, said:
My only concern with that depends on the reward system for the game. If you have something like Battlefield where more kills = more rewards, then the reward for adhering to honor needs to be comparable to the lost kills. Otherwise you more or less require people to break Zellbrigen to remain competitive.
There have been honor based point systems before (MW2 and MW2: GBL). Gathering plenty of honor should unlock a trial of position (against 3 AI opponents preferably). A higher rank should unlock more access to mechs.
People with low honor points (or a negative value) should be reduced to solahma status, they would go down in mech selection as follows: OmniMech > 2nd Line mech > SL era Clan refit > SL era mech > salvaged IS mech. They can work their way up the ladder again by fight honorable again.
Amarus Cameron, on 28 November 2011 - 08:00 AM, said:
Stormwolf I may hate the wolves with a passion but some would be true crusader and hold to their honor, if you abide by this path I will fight along side that cause.
*edit* (Also you should have chat access, we had to approve your app)
Good, and thanks for the access.
Mr. Freeze, on 28 November 2011 - 09:05 AM, said:
We can't afford to cut corners, roleplaying and canon consistency be damned. Remember that this is how the Clans lost the invasion: Their honor-centric combat was useless against the ruthlessly pragmatic Inner Sphere. And I don't know about you guys, but I don't want to be penalized for "breaking Zellbrigen" when I'm being ********** by two heavy mechs.
I shoot cockpits and I leg mechs like a ************. Because it wins.
Legging and shooting cockpits is allowed like Renegade pointed out.
I'd like to expand on the claim button idea, unclaimed IS players should get a dezgra status when they have a higher combined BV value and gang up on a single Clan mech (think atleast 110 to 150% more BV). It would reduce the abuse caused by players who think that they found a loophole.
Note that this would only apply to the attacking mechs, any mechs not involved in this action would need to be claimed.
Great stuff so far people, keep it coming.
Edited by Stormwolf, 28 November 2011 - 11:42 AM.
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