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[Monkey Lover]

If you run a clan xl or a IS std engine what matters most is the ct hitbox. Look how crazy some of these hitboxes are.

good mechs on the left worse mechs on the right. They really need to do a hitbox and scale pass on every mech before they start quirking more weapons.

Edited by Monkey Lover, 05 July 2015 - 12:50 PM.

[Bishop Steiner]

For the most part. But go toss the Mad Dog on there and tell me by this theory, which side it SHOULD be on, and which side it IS on.

[Monkey Lover]

Bishop Steiner, on 05 July 2015 - 12:51 PM, said:

For the most part. But go toss the Mad Dog on there and tell me by this theory, which side it SHOULD be on, and which side it IS on.

Madedog is running right in the middle. I do find it easier to kill them the hellbringer but not as easy as the summoner.

[Flutterguy]

How the hell are Hellbringers not getting decapitated left and right on the battlefield? That is a huge head hit box.

[Monkey Lover]

Flutterguy, on 05 July 2015 - 01:07 PM, said:

How the hell are Hellbringers not getting decapitated left and right on the battlefield? That is a huge head hit box.

I didnt know about that until now haha. I think i will shoot for it more often.

[Bishop Steiner]

Flutterguy, on 05 July 2015 - 01:07 PM, said:

How the hell are Hellbringers not getting decapitated left and right on the battlefield? That is a huge head hit box.

I honestly don't think all the head hitboxes are accurate. There are a few other instances on some if them that I wonder about too, but am too lazy....busy to confirm.

[Cyborne Elemental]

The Hellbringer headbox is definitely off, its much smaller. almost as hard to hit as the Cataphract's head box.

[JohnnyWayne]

Well that is the main reason, whe EBJ and EXE still needs work on the CT. No use for them as they are.

[GeistHrafn]

Mister D, on 05 July 2015 - 01:18 PM, said:

The Hellbringer headbox is definitely off, its much smaller. almost as hard to hit as the Cataphract's head box.

I don't think I've ever been headshot in my HBR's. Now, my EBJ is another story entirely.

Do we have one of these pics showing the EBJ hitboxes, I'm interested to see?

[Saint Scarlett Johan]

Prior to quirks, there were three things that went into consideration of what made a mech good: hitboxes, hardpoints, hardpoint location.

Now of course these were more guidelines than rules. Low slung hardpoints are detrimental, but in the past could be overcome with JJs. Bad hitboxes in certain cases like Jenner could be overcome with exceptional speed and maneuvering.

The Direwhale can overcome it's low slung hardpoints and bad hitboxes with obscene amounts of firepower.

Dragons have terrible hitboxes and low hanging hardpoints, yet make up for with obscene level quirks.

So I think more than just hitboxes make a mech good.

[Ultimax]

While I agree with what you're saying, the Quickdraw is clearly much safer in an IS XL than the TDR is, same as the Grasshopper.


So it's both a blessing and a curse.

[Monkey Lover]

Ultimatum X, on 05 July 2015 - 02:23 PM, said:

While I agree with what you're saying, the Quickdraw is clearly much safer in an IS XL than the TDR is, same as the Grasshopper.


So it's both a blessing and a curse.

On down side of this is when you run clan mechs. You dont have the engine options, due to this people dont use the bad mechs. Few will use a nova because it doesnt take twice as many hits to kill them when compare to a crow. I can ct a nova without a problem. I run them down my srm mediums all the time. Crows i dont think i have every ct killed without taking 1 side.

This is a issue with IS lights as you basically can't run a std in these. Unless you dont have good hitboxes people to use the mechs.

Edited by Monkey Lover, 05 July 2015 - 03:48 PM.

[El Bandito]

What about the Timberwolf?

[Macster16]

I wouldn't consider the Summoner's hitboxes to be bad. I often see them tank a tonne of damage.

[Kiiyor]

Flutterguy, on 05 July 2015 - 01:07 PM, said:

How the hell are Hellbringers not getting decapitated left and right on the battlefield? That is a huge head hit box.

TBH, I didn't know about that! I used to LOVE nailing catapaults and direwolves, but that thing? New best game ever!

Edit:

Mister D, on 05 July 2015 - 01:18 PM, said:

The Hellbringer headbox is definitely off, its much smaller. almost as hard to hit as the Cataphract's head box.

Aaaaaaw.

Still, it's something that requires science. To the lab!

Edited by Kiiyor, 05 July 2015 - 06:52 PM.

[Mcgral18]

Monkey Lover, on 05 July 2015 - 03:46 PM, said:

On down side of this is when you run clan mechs. You dont have the engine options, due to this people dont use the bad mechs. Few will use a nova because it doesnt take twice as many hits to kill them when compare to a crow. I can ct a nova without a problem. I run them down my srm mediums all the time. Crows i dont think i have every ct killed without taking 1 side.

This is a issue with IS lights as you basically can't run a std in these. Unless you dont have good hitboxes people to use the mechs.

There's also the whole 40% damage (60% reduction) from ST to CT when the side gets destroyed.



There's a reason people say Crows take twice as much damage to kill....because that's literally what's happening, if you miss their tiny CT.

[InspectorG]

Mcgral18, on 05 July 2015 - 07:01 PM, said:

There's also the whole 40% damage (60% reduction) from ST to CT when the side gets destroyed.



There's a reason people say Crows take twice as much damage to kill....because that's literally what's happening, if you miss their tiny CT.

Compared to its Clan opposite, the Warhawk. Sometimes, i dont even bother twisting in that thing. If i dont get the jump on someone, im pretty sure ill crumble faster than any other assault.

[Mcgral18]

InspectorG, on 05 July 2015 - 07:07 PM, said:

Compared to its Clan opposite, the Warhawk. Sometimes, i dont even bother twisting in that thing. If i dont get the jump on someone, im pretty sure ill crumble faster than any other assault.

Whale sized, without Whale armour.


60% reductions only do so much.

[Karmen Baric]

What about IS mechs, most need XL to compete with Clan mechs and with those any side torso (or CT torso) kills them, those need better hitboxes than any Clan XL equipped mech

[STEF_]

I don0't know where you found that hellbringer hitboxes pic, but it is wrong.

This is the correct one:


thanks to Greenjulius.

Edited by Stefka Kerensky, 05 July 2015 - 10:23 PM.