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[BadKimche]

The title should do it. I just looked at customizing my Shadowcats and found that I do not have an option to use SHC-P variant Omnipods, they are not available in the equipment lists. Where are they and why would they be missing?

My mistake, SHC-P is the correct nomenclature.

Edited by BadKimche, 22 July 2015 - 06:16 AM.

[Kristov Kerensky]

BadKimche, on 22 July 2015 - 06:15 AM, said:

The title should do it. I just looked at customizing my Shadowcats and found that I do not have an option to use SCD-P variant Omnipods, they are not available in the equipment lists. Where are they and why would they be missing?

My mistake, SHC-P is the correct nomenclature.

They won't be in the store for a bit, but you can strip them off your P variant yourself and use them on other variants, which is what I personally do.

[BadKimche]

Why can I buy the other three variant Omnipods but not the P, that is the question. I understand the mechanics thanx.

[ScreamingSkull]

They want to keep the 2 lpl 6 mg Shadow Cat exclusive I guess.

[Zeusus]

For the same reason when you buy an IS pack you can't buy more of those mechs. They aren't released to the world yet. You are allowed to buy some omni pods as they are available to all who bought the mech (if you can see them you bought a package with that mech).

The P was an early preorder bonus and there is no way to stop people who didn't buy early from buying them while allowing those who did to do so.

That explains the why.

You can argue that there should be another check to get around this and I'd agree but I imagine they haven't done it as its harder than it sounds.

[Ovion]

BadKimche, on 22 July 2015 - 06:21 AM, said:

Why can I buy the other three variant Omnipods but not the P, that is the question. I understand the mechanics thanx.

PGI said that to code it to differentiate in the store between Early Adopter Pack owners and Non-EArly-Adopter-Pack owners would be a lot of work.
More than it would be worth pulling coders off other projects to do at any rate.

So, it's all-or-nothing at the moment.

There's occasionally a way to trick it by putting the pods on other mechs, and buying it on the exclusive mech, but it doesn't always work.
It sucks, but, it's pretty minor in the long run.

Edited by Ovion, 22 July 2015 - 06:28 AM.

[Paigan]

Captain here:

The valuable thing in the special variants are their special omnipods. NOT their CT (main mech) or their designation.
So if you could just buy special variant omnipods directly for some lousy x thousand CB, then NO ONE would ever bother to buy the early adopter packs.

[Malcolm Vordermark]

BadKimche, on 22 July 2015 - 06:21 AM, said:

Why can I buy the other three variant Omnipods but not the P, that is the question. I understand the mechanics thanx.

I suspect they don't have a way to limiting which omnipods are available by account. So instead they inject a single instance of the mech into one's account. Otherwise, the SHC-P omnipods would be available to everyone with the mech, not just the early adopters. I also suspect that is why new omnimech releases are in the cash only store, rather than the MC store.

Edited by Rouken, 22 July 2015 - 06:34 AM.

[TercieI]

Rouken, on 22 July 2015 - 06:33 AM, said:

I suspect they don't have a way to limiting which omnipods are available by account. So instead they inject a single instance of the mech into one's account. Otherwise, the SHC-P omnipods would be available to everyone with the mech, not just the early adopters. I also suspect that is why new omnimech releases are in the cash only store, rather than the MC store.

Don't have to suspect it. Russ said as much on Twitter last week. EXE and ACH are serious offenders here.

[MechWarrior5152251]

Its called Pay-to-win. You want the best shadow cat you better pay.

[Lugh]

Ovion, on 22 July 2015 - 06:26 AM, said:

PGI said that to code it to differentiate in the store between Early Adopter Pack owners and Non-EArly-Adopter-Pack owners would be a lot of work.
More than it would be worth pulling coders off other projects to do at any rate.

So, it's all-or-nothing at the moment.

There's occasionally a way to trick it by putting the pods on other mechs, and buying it on the exclusive mech, but it doesn't always work.
It sucks, but, it's pretty minor in the long run.

Store check, if early adoptor = True SHC-P = Available If False then Not Available. How hard can that be?

[Ovion]

Lugh, on 22 July 2015 - 07:02 AM, said:

Store check, if early adoptor = True SHC-P = Available If False then Not Available. How hard can that be?

PGI's code isn't that simple.
A lot of it's a complex mess, with people leaving and joining, and everything being a bit all over.
It's why we aren't getting switching ammo types anytime soon - the guy that wrote that part left, no one knows wtf it is (as documentation is always the last, least complete, and worst made thing with coding), and to do it, they'd need to rewrite that entire system.

Honestly, a simpler way would be if person owns X mech, person can buy X omnipods.
But the code for that?

And to make sure it doesn't break something else?

Could take 1-2 days to implement for 1-2 guys, depending on how streamlined or not it is.


- Hell, here's an example for you even.
I use a custom script for IRC, that I wrote from scratch roughly a decade ago.
IRCScript isn't an especially complex language, certainly nothing compared to the big things like C and Python, etc, but can do some rather complex things.
An update not that long ago caused a function to break as something changed - moderator control functions or something.
It was a simple fix.

Took me around an hour to even find the relevant part of the script and what was broken in the almost 2000 lines of code.
I only needed to change 1 function, 2 lines of code, and I wrote the script from scratch myself.
Still took quite a while to do, in one of the simplest coding languages going.

Now figure out how to add a toggle that doesn't screw up some other piece of code, in a multi-creator piece of software, likely hundreds of thousands of lines long?....
Eeeh.

Edited by Ovion, 22 July 2015 - 07:24 AM.

[Malcolm Vordermark]

Lugh, on 22 July 2015 - 07:02 AM, said:

Store check, if early adoptor = True SHC-P = Available If False then Not Available. How hard can that be?

Difficulty is probably not the bottleneck here. Instead, every time the mechlab is opened this check would need to be made. Handling that many additional calls to the database is probably the limiting factor here.

[Ovion]

Rouken, on 22 July 2015 - 02:00 PM, said:

Difficulty is probably not the bottleneck here. Instead, every time the mechlab is opened this check would need to be made. Handling that many additional calls to the database is probably the limiting factor here.

It was said either on Twitter, or in a Town Hall (I forget which), it's a coding issue.

At least in so much, it'll take long enough, they don't think it'll be worth the time to implement vs the return they think it's worth.

[C E Dwyer]

BadKimche, on 22 July 2015 - 06:15 AM, said:

The title should do it. I just looked at customizing my Shadowcats and found that I do not have an option to use SHC-P variant Omnipods, they are not available in the equipment lists. Where are they and why would they be missing?

My mistake, SHC-P is the correct nomenclature.

wait until out for MC and c-bills

[Gas Guzzler]

MechWarrior5152251, on 22 July 2015 - 06:58 AM, said:

Its called Pay-to-win. You want the best shadow cat you better pay.

This doesn't make any sense at all. If you have Shadow Cats at all you paid, you could have gotten the 4th variant for free if you had paid earlier. Literally no change in monetary value for the ability to get the 4th variant.

[Deathlike]

With the state of MGs, all that dakka would just be fuel for the 6MG Spider...

[Lightfoot]

The P is the bonus variant for early adopters. Pretty soon it will show up, when the P is available for MC or CBills.

[TercieI]

Gas Guzzler, on 22 July 2015 - 02:12 PM, said:

This doesn't make any sense at all. If you have Shadow Cats at all you paid, you could have gotten the 4th variant for free if you had paid earlier. Literally no change in monetary value for the ability to get the 4th variant.

Time value of money. It's worth more to the seller to have your money earlier. Interest, capital, etc.

MechWarrior5152251, on 22 July 2015 - 06:58 AM, said:

Its called Pay-to-win. You want the best shadow cat you better pay.

If you said Arctic Cheetah, yeah. The SHC-P is a novelty, not a standout.

[CtrlAltWheee]

I bought the early adopter pack and only one of the shc-P omnipods is available to use on the other variants.

I thought it was a bug. I can't equip the 3x mg arm on all the variants if I want to? Disappointed.