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[Hit the Deck]

I hear from time to time people saying that the RFL would be just a lighter (and inferior) Jäger. It might be true in TT (unfortunately I don't play it) and the story is also backed up by the lore that Jäger is a replacement for the old anti-aircraft Mech but in MWO it would/should not be the case.

Just by looking at the hardpoints and considering the current game mechanics, this "Unseen" is a single ballistic+lasers or laser vomit carrier unlike the ballistic boat nature of her bigger sibling which means that the Rifleman runs faster than the Jäger. Some possible loadouts are Gauss+3LL or 2LPL+4/5ML (a hotter Grasshopper 5H with better hardpoints location).

It already has great hardpoint locations so PGI could just give it so-so (offensive) quirks. If I could pick, give this Mech some decent durability quirks because I think it would need them the most (60t's paper armor combined with an XL engine).


EDIT: Added a comparison pic:

Edited by Hit the Deck, 17 January 2016 - 11:23 PM.

[Y E O N N E]

It's not a lighter JagerMech...

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...it's a heavier Blackjack.

[Hit the Deck]

Yeonne Greene, on 17 January 2016 - 03:37 PM, said:

It's not a lighter JagerMech...

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...it's a heavier Blackjack.

That would be more appropriate! Though the Clanners crushing meta Blackjack is not viable for a heavy B + lazors loadout and generally has less firepower.

[Davegt27]

another IS hunk of junk

once I saw the weight I moved on

[TELEFORCE]

I'm looking forward to getting a Rifleman. I always preferred those over JagerMechs.

[Y E O N N E]

Hit the Deck, on 17 January 2016 - 03:48 PM, said:

That would be more appropriate! Though the Clanners crushing meta Blackjack is not viable for a heavy B + lazors loadout and generally has less firepower.

You say that, but I have a BJ-1DC with a super-quirked AC/10 and five 365 m MedLas that is pretty brutal.

Unless the Rifleman is going to be similarly stellar with its ballistics (and I hope it is so I can do quad AC/2 and not be meh), it's going to be a heavier-but-not-necessarily-better Blackjack. I mean, the QKD-5K and IV4 are pretty nasty but I'd still rather have a Blackjack. If the RFL is yet another mostly-durability-focused IS 'Mech, it's not going to win support from the competitive crowd,

[Hit the Deck]

Yeonne Greene, on 17 January 2016 - 04:04 PM, said:

....If the RFL is yet another mostly-durability-focused IS 'Mech, it's not going to win support from the competitive crowd,

Well, not everything has to be the next best thing and quirks come and go. It already has good hardpoints location and the ability to mount decent firepower.

[Y E O N N E]

Hit the Deck, on 17 January 2016 - 04:11 PM, said:

Well, not everything has to be the next best thing and quirks come and go. It already has good hardpoints location and the ability to mount decent firepower.

My concern is that it will be redundant, not that it won't be competitive.

I want to play the Rifleman, and I know it's already going to feel a lot like a Blackjack in terms of handling, so if it performs worse than the Blackjack it's just not worth the 'Mech bays, especially since I've been playing Blackjacks for years.

[Hit the Deck]

Yeonne Greene, on 17 January 2016 - 04:25 PM, said:

My concern is that it will be redundant, not that it won't be competitive.

I want to play the Rifleman, and I know it's already going to feel a lot like a Blackjack in terms of handling, so if it performs worse than the Blackjack it's just not worth the 'Mech bays, especially since I've been playing Blackjacks for years.

The Blackjack can't do Gauss + large lasers or AC/20 + PPCs (quirkless it would be too hot) so you have something else to play with the RFL.

[Navid A1]

I think Rifleman is a lighter Jagger.

That is why i didn't buy it.


Maybe PGI will give it Giga-quirks to compensate the buyers

[Bishop Steiner]

I'm looking forward to it. But I'm noted for liking sub par mechs.

[Y E O N N E]

Bishop Steiner, on 17 January 2016 - 04:40 PM, said:

I'm looking forward to it. But I'm noted for liking sub par mechs.

Me, too, friend.

As long as they're pretty. I only play pretty and bad 'Mechs.

[Saint Scarlett Johan]

Rifleman's hardpoints and locations of said hardpoints > than what the Jager offers.

Will it Dual Goose or Trip-UAC5 as well as the Jager? Nope. But it having energy in high mount arms means Goose/LL or PPC/AC10.

[Funky Bacon]

Hardpoint locations closer to the cockipit compared to Jager will make Rifleman better I think. Plus the arms are huge, which can be interesting if you want to use one arm as a shield while running with a single AC/20 in the other arm or something.

[FupDup]

Actually, yeah the Rifleman is pretty much a 60 ton Firebrand unless the quirks are drastically different.

[Hit the Deck]

FupDup, on 17 January 2016 - 08:27 PM, said:

Actually, yeah the Rifleman is pretty much a 60 ton Firebrand unless the quirks are drastically different.

In a way the majority of RFL variants are, but RFL has superior torso shape and hardpoints placement (looking at the concept art). Where the HPs are matters when building a Mech.

[Alek Ituin]

That's exactly what the Rifleman is though.

It might have more E hardpoints and whatnot, but it is for all intents and purposes a lighter, older Jägermech. However, if you want to equate "older and lighter" with "obsolete"... Then that's on you. I think it'll find a solid niche somewhere with somebody.

[Hit the Deck]

Alek Ituin, on 17 January 2016 - 09:23 PM, said:

That's exactly what the Rifleman is though.

It might have more E hardpoints and whatnot, but it is for all intents and purposes a lighter, older Jägermech....

I'm talking about MWO not TT....

[Alek Ituin]

Hit the Deck, on 17 January 2016 - 09:26 PM, said:

I'm talking about MWO not TT....

And it's still a lighter, older Jägermech in MWO or TT.

Again: If you want to equate "older and lighter" with "obsolete", that's your problem. I'm pointing out the *fact* that the Rifleman is exactly what you're claiming it isn't.

[El Bandito]

Bishop Steiner, on 17 January 2016 - 04:40 PM, said:

I'm looking forward to it. But I'm noted for liking sub par mechs.

No mech is subpar as long as it has enough high mounts. Especially the 5D version with 6 energy slots on the arms.