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[Bud Crue]

Nice video. Nice build too.

[Kuaron]

Nice to see you are doing more videos again! Keep linking them here.
Also, I like your format and that you comment the obvious quirk-emphasized builds you don't recommend at the end.

Though, one of them would be UAC5 + laservom, I like it and miss it in your vid.

[Helene de Montfort]

Too many weapons groups for me... You use macros?

[Kuaron]

Who, which config are you speaking of?

[jss78]

Very nice video.

I've gone with something rather similar to your AC/10 + 3xLPL build. I use XL300+MASC, and put 2xLPL in those high torso mounts, 2xML in the RA, and I kept the LB-10X because the shotgun action is just so fun (though a bit derpy). This leaves space for 14-15 DHS depending on whether you want AMS.

I've liked the 'mech a LOT more than I expected to. Nice, well-moving mid-range 'mech. The MASC and the LB-10X make it fun and unique to run.

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Kuaron, on 24 October 2016 - 02:55 PM, said:

Though, one of them would be UAC5 + laservom, I like it and miss it in your vid.

That did cross my mind. I wouldn't discourage people from using it and in some cases it'll work better than the AC10. Better range and bullet velocity. Higher DPS if it doesn't jam. The jam chance was the thing that worried me so I didn't put it there.

Helene de Montfort, on 24 October 2016 - 03:30 PM, said:

Too many weapons groups for me... You use macros?

No, it's just that the 4th group is rarely used. Mostly for shooting UAVs. Primarily I'm using 3 weapon groups.

[Davegt27]

congrats on the 2nd place in the Cat leader board

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jss78, on 24 October 2016 - 04:27 PM, said:

I've liked the 'mech a LOT more than I expected to. Nice, well-moving mid-range 'mech. The MASC and the LB-10X make it fun and unique to run.

Thanks. It is a fun mech a challenge to make it work. Btw I was just in Helsinki and Porvoo couple of months back

Edited by BlackhawkSC, 24 October 2016 - 06:18 PM.

[banana peel]

Nice vid, gauss build is exactly what i'm running on this new shiny thing. One question though: why not occupy lower arm hardpoint with a small lazer? Getting that lower large on the level with gauss is crucial, even in the presented match you've hit the dirt with it many times.

[BodakOfSseth]

I'm running 3LPL and 2MPL, MASC and a Std 285, and finding that it works pretty well for me. It runs a bit hot, with no back up ballistics for cooling, I've been considering dropping the 2MPL for something more noisy.
Unfortunately it seems this comes at a pretty hefty weight cost and increased vulnerability for the engine, unless I drop the MASC.
This of course mainly focuses around my general refusal to run an XL engine in anything bigger than a light.

Consequently I've been running the guns in chainfire mode, which really helps a lot and strangely, seems to increase my overall damage done during a match.

Edited by ScottAleric, 25 October 2016 - 10:14 AM.

[Helene de Montfort]

i finally decided to use this build :

CTF-3L(L)

XL 340, MASC, 2x LPL and 3x SPL... Well, i'm quite happy with it...

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banana peel, on 25 October 2016 - 08:50 AM, said:

Nice vid, gauss build is exactly what i'm running on this new shiny thing. One question though: why not occupy lower arm hardpoint with a small lazer? Getting that lower large on the level with gauss is crucial, even in the presented match you've hit the dirt with it many times.

Not unreasonable but you'd either go down 2 engine ratings or give up a heatsink. SInce heat and speed are already issues on this build I decided against it. Even if you bump it up, it's still kind of low, so you have to decide what's worth it for you.

Edited by BlackhawkSC, 27 October 2016 - 02:03 AM.

[banana peel]

BlackhawkSC, on 27 October 2016 - 01:51 AM, said:

Not unreasonable but you'd either go down 2 engine ratings or give up a heatsink. SInce heat and speed are already issues on this build I decided against it. Even if you bump it up, it's still kind of low, so you have to decide what's worth it for you.

I'm running bigger engine to minimize the return fire, so slots are not an issue. For that reason i'm putting a small lazer in the lower slot, it's just sooo damn low, the difference is too significant for long range game. If the game shifts more towards brawl, this build will be obsolete anyways.

[Kuaron]

Blackhawk was speaking about tonnage, not slots, if I get it right.
But yes, I also decided against using a single arm laser. Either 2 or 3 or none. I tried the SL solution before, but half a ton to waste is too much if you have heavy ballistics mounted.

[Bud Crue]

Tried some of the builds of the OP's video. After several matches though I have to disagree with his assessment of the masc. Just doesn't seem to be worth the 4 tons for me. So really its just another 1x to me. Settled on brawler build for now 2LPL and AC20 with a std 300. Armor striped to 30 on the arms and 45 on the legs. Hit and miss depending on the map (so what else is new?), but runs fairly cool and the high torso points make the LPLs hit above their weight. Going to play that for a bit but will likely move to a more mid-range build along the lines of 2LL, an lbx, and 3 ml and probably drop to a std 280 to make it work (can't stand leaving hard points free). We'll see.

Only build I managed to make the masc work on was 2LPLs and 3MPL and max XL engine. Fine and all but without a big ballistic it just doesn't feel right to me. To each his/her own.

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Yes basically if you go higher up in engine size you give up even more heatsinks. I'd say for 3xLL with no heatgen quirks 14 is about right. You can make do with 13 so that's why I say it's reasonable. When you're in the mid to low teens, each DHS counts. So in the end you decide what'll work for you

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Bud Crue, on 27 October 2016 - 06:28 AM, said:

Tried some of the builds of the OP's video. After several matches though I have to disagree with his assessment of the masc. Just doesn't seem to be worth the 4 tons for me. So really its just another 1x to me.

Yea I mean if you can't find a use for the MASC you might as well not run the 3L I guess. But 180%/170% accel/decel boost, I'm pretty sure you can feel it. For me it makes a big enough difference that it plays slightly differently from the 1X.

I think that's really the whole point. None of the CTFs are supposed to be "great" mechs in today's meta. But if it gives you something fun, interesting, and different, PGI did its job. Unfortunately the only way you can make the 3L different is to use the MASC....

Edited by BlackhawkSC, 27 October 2016 - 06:41 AM.

[Virlutris]

I'm going to watch this vid later today, but I want to chime in with the build I've been using to level it.

XL325, MASC, 3LPL, 2ML, DHS to fit the tonnage. It's a pokey build when you don't have a clean shot for all the guns. Pokes can be made either over the top or from one side or the other of cover, with the MASC facilitating its ability to skeedaddle as necessary.

That MASC turns out to make a fair difference in its ability to mitigate the effects of the enemy's ill intent. It'll MASC up to 88kph before speed tweak, which I think is pretty amusing on a 'Phract in and of itself.

Thanks for posting BlackhawkSC. I enjoy watching your videos.


Edit: grammarz

Edited by Virlutris, 27 October 2016 - 08:11 AM.

[Bud Crue]

BlackhawkSC, on 27 October 2016 - 06:35 AM, said:

Yea I mean if you can't find a use for the MASC you might as well not run the 3L I guess. But 180%/170% accel/decel boost, I'm pretty sure you can feel it. For me it makes a big enough difference that it plays slightly differently from the 1X.

I think that's really the whole point. None of the CTFs are supposed to be "great" mechs in today's meta. But if it gives you something fun, interesting, and different, PGI did its job. Unfortunately the only way you can make the 3L different is to use the MASC....

Totally agree. I want to use it, I really do, and I might after it is leveled and I am more comfortable with it. But for now I think some thing that fits my terribad play style (point front at enemy, shoot, twist, repeat) is the best course of action for me. That simple act of having a finger free to engage the masc every now and again, seems to be an ability I just haven't got the hang of. Practice, practice, practice I know.