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[Alistair Winter]

I'm thrilled to see the Spider mech make its appearance, looks like it's going to be a fun mech to play. It has a lot of the things I've been missing from other light mechs.

With that said... I'm a bit confused by the variants they brought out.

SDR-5D
1 CT energy hard point, 2 RA energy hard points, 8 jump jets, 2 module slots and ECM capable. I guess this is the Spider everyone will be using untill they fix the ECM problem. Which really sucks, because I was hoping they wouldn't put ECM on any Spider variants.

SDR-5V
2 CT energy hard points, 3 module slots and 12 jump jets. I love this, this is really going to be a lot of fun. It'll be interesting to see how this one handles anything more than Medium Lasers.

SDR-5K
2 LA ballistic hard points, 1 CT energy hard point, 2 RA ballistic hard points, 2 module slots and 6 jump jets.

So.... why the hell would anyone get a SDR-5K, exactly?

Jump jets? It has half the jump jets of the 5V.
ECM? Nope.
Speed? Same as the other two.
Module slots? Only two.
Weapons? Well, unless Garth actually goes through with his plans of giving machine guns 500 damage per bullet, I don't see why anyone would want 4 arm mounted ballistics on a 30 ton mech. Maybe you can slap an AC/5 on there, but why would you want to?

Looks like the SDR-5K is going to be another variant that people have to grind in order to get Elite skills. Why not give it at least one positive attribute over the other variants, PGI?

[Alik Kerensky]

Alistair Winter, on 15 January 2013 - 11:10 AM, said:

SDR-5K
2 LA ballistic hard points, 1 CT energy hard point, 2 RA ballistic hard points, 2 module slots and 6 jump jets.

So.... why the hell would anyone get a SDR-5K, exactly?

Jump jets? It has half the jump jets of the 5V.
ECM? Nope.
Speed? Same as the other two.
Module slots? Only two.
Weapons? Well, unless Garth actually goes through with his plans of giving machine guns 500 damage per bullet, I don't see why anyone would want 4 arm mounted ballistics on a 30 ton mech. Maybe you can slap an AC/5 on there, but why would you want to?

Looks like the SDR-5K is going to be another variant that people have to grind in order to get Elite skills. Why not give it at least one positive attribute over the other variants, PGI?

I'm sure someone will figure out they can turn it into an Urbie.

[Carrioncrows]

As stated MG's are going to be hell on wheels versus internal components.

I Imagine once you the battle ensue's the 5K will be able to finish them off.

Believe it or not it was the design i was most looking forward to.

[StalaggtIKE]

Carrioncrows, on 15 January 2013 - 12:08 PM, said:

Believe it or not it was the design i was most looking forward to.

Agreed. 5K is the only one that intrigued me. JJ suck, unless they have been revamped. To top it off, it is now the worst ECM version.

Edited by StalaggtIKE, 15 January 2013 - 12:41 PM.

[0Life]

I just got my Raven 3L kit out, and honestly... I am half tempted to dump it for a Spider. Just have to keep in mind that as a Spider, you are not a front liner, nor are you much of a light hunter (due to lack of missile hard points). Especially with the 5K, you are a closer, not an opener. Drop a MLAS for TAG and be a spotter for a while, then once the match is at the mid-point or end, take the tape off the machine gun triggers and go hunting for low armor enemies. With JJs still being kind of meh, focus on speed, piloting, and jinking while keeping your fire to the rear of your target.

[Trystar]

I wonder how this will work out. Using an ecm on the 5D means when you lose your RA you lose all your dps.


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[Dropdeadfred]

Color me not impressed. The ECM version has terrible hardpoints. 4 ballistic slots on a 30 ton mech? Lastly, only 2 energy hardpoints on the 3rd variant. The Raven 3L will continue it's dominance as 'best light' through this patch.

[Alistair Winter]

Trystar, on 15 January 2013 - 12:53 PM, said:

I wonder how this will work out. Using an ecm on the 5D means when you lose your RA you lose all your dps.


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Seems like a good build. Indeed, one of the only real alternatives to the Raven 3L right now. Even with such an agile mech, only having CT-mounted weapons is proving to be a bit of a challenge.

[Wrenchfarm]

Eek, just took a SPD-V out for a few turns. Flying around is nice, but I could not do ANY damage. Several rounds with 150-200 damage after sawing away all match.

So far I've tried 2xMLAS, 2xMPLAS, 1xLLAS, 1xLPLAS (losing jets in the process) and none of them have impressed me. So far it seems like 1xLLAS might be the trick if only to get a bit more range.

Anyone have any bright ideas to get the Spider to perform?

[Trystar]

The build I posted wont work because it has 0 armor. Big mistake... Ill try it with med pulse and then add some armor in.

[80Bit]

I grabbed the 5D to check it out.

I was...underwhelmed. Jumpjets do suck currently, and though you can go pretty high with 8 of them, they are highly situational.

You are basically a Commando with no missiles. COM-2D and Ravens destroy me in literally 15 seconds. You are not fast enough to avoid or outrun them. You can do anything but nick them up.

Your damage output is just not enough to do much with. I may try to build something around Large Lasers later but that's still pretty bad.


The only way I see this mech being useful is as a pure Scout in an 8 man team. By scout I mean someone with almost no combat engagement whatsoever. This mech could potentially get to some points on the map that will make it very hard to hit, and just spot from there.

[tatersaladftw]

Bought a 5v. First match did about 215ish damage. Couple component kills, but no actual kills. Super heat efficient with endo/DHS I am at 1.97. Other than that I don't know how to roll this other than being an interdiction unit to tie up the other teams light mech. If you pulse the jump jets you can turn/reposition super fast and its almost like rocket running.

[Carrioncrows]

First off the ECM variant has the best hard points.

The 5D, has 1 CT energy, 2 RA energy giving you the most firepower and the best hard point options with ECM, it's downright TRAGIC that all of the best loadouts come equipped with ECM as it leaves very little reason to take the 5K or 5V in any sort of serious engagement.

Still play'n around with all 3 but the one that is preforming the best is the one that is least spider like.

5K "Vicious"
Endo
170 XL

AC5 x2 tons of ammo
x2 Machine guns x1 ton of ammo
Medium laser

Edited by Carrioncrows, 15 January 2013 - 01:34 PM.

[Anyone00]

I'm probably going to mess around with a 12 JJ 5V for fun but I would like to try a harassment sniper 5D (but I have a full compliment of CN9s I want to keep and don't feel like paying anything till PGI starts to fix the lagshield issues and integrates ingame voice coms).

[BL00D RAVEN]

anyone have ideas for a 5k spider that goes atleast 100kph?

[Alik Kerensky]

Trystar, on 15 January 2013 - 12:53 PM, said:

I wonder how this will work out. Using an ecm on the 5D means when you lose your RA you lose all your dps.


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I'd put some armor on that one... lol

[Aqualo]

Tried all 3

They fit many roles.

My favorite is a 5D

DHS / Endo
XL 200 / 108 speed w/o speed tweak
Dual PPC
ECM
1.25 heat eff

An excellent support mech. Of course vulnerable to others lights, but quite a funny build to play, you can sneak behind ennemy lines and hurt their back quite badly.

often end up with 300/400 dmg a game

Another 5D build

DHS / Endo
XL 250 / around 130 speed w/o speed tweak
ER PPC
Ecm
6 JJ
1.51 heat eff

A very good flanker plus a very fast long range support.


Also played a 5k with

12JJ
2 med pulse
250 xl
Dhs / Endo

Fun to play, but in my opinion it's the kind of build that get to fbe caught by other lights, which is definitely not the best role for a spider. But it can tease a lot assault and heavy mechs by playing hide and seek and stripping their back armor.

And for the 5V he's quite effective with a large pulse laser and 4 MG, juste waiting till they tweak MG damage to internal and.

[AlexWildeagle]

tried all 3, love all 3. But none do much damage.
Favorite is the 5K with
255XL (DHS) <- found that one doesn't need DHS but was too cheap to convert it back. Mechlab has heat as a red 2.43 or some such.
Endo
1 MPL
4 MGs with 3 tons ammo
6 JJs, no clue why it can only use 6
Armor around 190 or so

But I went ahead and maxed out all 3 variants with JJs. ECM model I just use 3 MLs. The other with 12 JJs and 2 CT MLs not very interesting.

[spidercoup]

Aqualo, on 16 January 2013 - 08:05 AM, said:

Another 5D build

DHS / Endo
XL 250 / around 130 speed w/o speed tweak
ER PPC
Ecm
6 JJ
1.51 heat eff

A very good flanker plus a very fast long range support.


Also played a 5k with

12JJ
2 med pulse
250 xl
Dhs / Endo

Fun to play, but in my opinion it's the kind of build that get to fbe caught by other lights, which is definitely not the best role for a spider. But it can tease a lot assault and heavy mechs by playing hide and seek and stripping their back armor.

And for the 5V he's quite effective with a large pulse laser and 4 MG, juste waiting till they tweak MG damage to internal and.

y not use xl255 they weight the same as xl250

Edited by spidercoup, 16 January 2013 - 09:43 AM.

[Magmaviper]

I ran a 5V last night for about 4-5 matches. All but my last match were just depressing, I was running for my life 4 of the matches from streaks.

The only match I was even slightly successful was me putting out 62 damage the whole match, but being a good distraction and a hard to hit target while the other mechs cleaned up the rest of them.

I figured the 5V and the other non-ecm variant were going to be the hardest to play so I wanted to pick one of them up. The 5V would not be terribly bad if the hard points were in the arms instead of the torso, in my opinion.

I think there needs to be a lot more tools for scouts to use to really make the spider's effective.