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[JadePanther]

Now maybe it's just me. but shouldnt it be easier for a dragon to get outta the way of an atlas then the other way around...

After all the atlas is just flying at 50ish kph and what 20ish in reverse.. meanwhile the dragon creeps along at 90's and seems to be a big slug...

Yet the dragon seems to think the atlas can back outta his way faster than the dragon can just run ahead and turn..

Maybe he just thinks all mech move at speeds nearing 100 kph or something.

[Elizander]

I voted Atlas. You point all your guns at the Dragon and he generally gets out of the way~

[Blahberry]

Elizander, on 22 February 2013 - 10:58 PM, said:

I voted Atlas. You point all your guns at the Dragon and he generally gets out of the way~

Genius.

The dragon should if the pilot isn't drunk or me.

[Zylo]

I think dragon pilots still have some bad habits from closed beta when they could easily knock over any other mech due to their mass being incorrectly set at 100tons (I think that was the issue with "dragon bowling", it's been a while).

When collision knockdowns come back the lighter mechs will need to get used to standing clear of the Atlas if they don't want to get run over. I really miss those collision knockdowns...

[Mycrus]

JadePanther, on 22 February 2013 - 10:57 PM, said:

Now maybe it's just me. but shouldnt it be easier for a dragon to get outta the way of an atlas then the other way around...

After all the atlas is just flying at 50ish kph and what 20ish in reverse.. meanwhile the dragon creeps along at 90's and seems to be a big slug...

Yet the dragon seems to think the atlas can back outta his way faster than the dragon can just run ahead and turn..

Maybe he just thinks all mech move at speeds nearing 100 kph or something.

Tell us the truth what happened?

[JadePanther]

Mycrus, on 22 February 2013 - 11:10 PM, said:

Tell us the truth what happened?

followed a dragon up a narrow causeway.. things started gettin hairy. but hey i'm an atlas i'll duke it out...

him he freaked out and did an about face right into me.. With no room to get around me.. he musta thought i was just gonna turn around and show the enemy my nice soft backside. that wasent gonna happen.. but apparently he thought i could back up nice an fast...

now if he'd of had an inkling of how to drive that thing, and the situaional awareness as to who was following him, he'd of just pushed the gas ran ahead exposed for a few lil seconds til he could duck around a building for cover.

take a few lil hits maybe yeah but not sit there and tie up 2 mechs into useless then start pointing blame without knowing the capabilities of the mechs involved.

I took a beating that i couldnt give back cause his butt was thinking he could run thru me. in the end as i was forced to withdrawl an atlas came up from behind and left me caught between a rock and a hard place and in very bad shape too..

he had nerve to tell me L2p.. lol i'm a big slow atlas.. I dish out pain one slow step at a time.. and with him bieng ignorant of the speed differences i couldnt bring the pain with him in the way.

[Mavairo]

Dragon should have poured on the coal and powered through and then run like a scalded dog. If he's any good at torso rotation, and armored his mech correctly he should have survived long enough to get through, while you pounded anyone dumb enough to try and chase him.

[JadePanther]

yep but instead he freaked out and went total bonehead

[Mavairo]

JadePanther, on 23 February 2013 - 12:20 AM, said:

yep but instead he freaked out and went total bonehead

To be fair as a Dragon pilot, I've been guilty of that before. When you're first learning the chassis after being popped ''fast'' for ending up in that kind of situation it takes abit of counter intuition to overcome the initial panic to just slam on the brakes reverse and get out of there while keeping the guns forward when it happens again. I've never bitched at the guy that is behind me, because really what is he supposed to do? be psychically connected to me and know my every move before I do it?

That counter intuitive nature of the Dragon is one of the reasons so many people just discard it as ''useless''. They end up in a furball, panic and then get themselves and probably their team mate killed in short order afterwards.

Getting over that fear of ''what's on the other side of the tunnel'' is one of the hardest and most challenging things a Dragon pilot has to face down and live with. Especially if you're used to bigger meaner heavies and assault mechs.
Usually it's best to let the Atlas or stalker roll through the tunnel first, and place precise shots around the Assault into his target, and then roll out at full tilt and start calvary slashing attacks and then ****.

That's usually how I handle it, is I'll just let one to two mechs go in first. It takes care of 2 problems at once. 1 it gives the Assault someone to guard his rear that can keep pace with enemy speed demons, and 2 it keeps the dragon's movement options open. And if the assault needs to retreat the dragon is much faster, and can start moving backwards long before the ssault runs into the dragon.

One day I'll sit down and write a Dragons 101 or something.

But yeah, panicking, and then blaming the guy behind him.. really really bad form.

[Wintersdark]

Yeah, in that situation the Dragon pilot needs to hit the throttle like it owes him money, torso twist and take shots at everyone he runs by booking assistance to cover - on the far side of the enemy.

The Dragon isn't an armored behemoth but it has enough to weather a brief storm if you spread the damage around, and the best case scenario there is that all those people you punch in the face as you dart between them turn to follow you.

You're hopefully faster, so you can escape, and they show their squishy rear armor to the hungry, hungry assaults behind you.
Ultimately, stopping and backing up is the worst thing you can do even if the isn't anyone behind you because it takes too long and leaves you relatively motionless for a couple seconds. You die then.

The golden rule of Mechwarrior: Don't stop moving.

[Tenzan]

A Dragon in an enclosed space with an Atlas right behind? He should have just gone with "You first Indy!"

[Mycrus]

Mavairo, on 22 February 2013 - 11:57 PM, said:

Dragon should have poured on the coal and powered through and then run like a scalded dog. If he's any good at torso rotation, and armored his mech correctly he should have survived long enough to get through, while you pounded anyone dumb enough to try and chase him.

yup, i run dragons extensively... you have enough armor & speed to make a running pass (assuming it is correctly configured in the 1st place)...