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[Mystere]

KharnZor, on 24 February 2013 - 02:23 PM, said:

I'm loving elo.
I'm winning most of my games now so that means i'm on my way to where i should be right? right?

Nah. We're just letting you win right now. But at a predetermined time in the future, we will HIT YOU HARD!

[KharnZor]

Mystere, on 24 February 2013 - 03:07 PM, said:

Nah. We're just letting you win right now. But at a predetermined time in the future, we will HIT YOU HARD!

Dont get me wrong. The percentage of awesome games i've had since ELO came into effect has gone sky high. There are still the occasional roflstomps but alot of the times the score board doesnt accurately describe how close a game can be. A fair few wins that i've had recently have ended with scores that looked a bit lopsided but the damage to my teams mechs is usually pretty heavy with no arms/torso's etc.

All in all i'm enjoying the games even if i'm winning most of them at the moment. Almost every victory is hard earned and my skill is tested often. Mind you i die sometimes doing less (alot less sometimes) than 100 damage but thats just because sometimes i like to run in front of the entire enemy team like an *****.

[SmurfOff]

Inveramsay, on 24 February 2013 - 02:57 PM, said:

Well, let me tell you what happened to the enemy team consisting of only heavies and assaults whereas my team contained 2xJenner D, 1x3L and 1xComm and a mix of other for the rest. We absolutely annihilated them. There was nothing they could do against the swarm of lights. Now if 8xAtlas were dropped against 8xMediums then it'd probably be different. Weight is hardly a good measure of how effective the mech will be in the match, well apart from if there are spiders about.

The problem with ELO is that it assumes a mediocre pilot in a medium is equal to a mediocre pilot in an atlas. So basically, ELO encourages the wall of cheese mentality (atlas / raven / splat|boom cat) since there is no protection against weight imbalance.

Again, my issue right now is that PGI is focusing on fixing things that are really not the core of the game they advertised. Weapon Balance and player matching should have been last, since they are mechanical tweaks. Lobbies and Community Warfare should have been first, which would have also been a way to mediate the pug stomps. You could have created a gating mechanism to limit joining games within % of experience in the lobby. You could have supported the "founders" community with a lobby, while fostering the new players.

Instead, we are forced into a system which only takes experience into the match making process, and drives people to either cheese or pure assault mechs. Most of the matches where we lose horribly are usually against an opponent running 3-4 atlas/stalkers and k2's / c4's. On drops like that, they should just pipe Rick Astley into the cockpit...

[SlXSlXSlX]

The problem with Smurfoff is he wants to run in his atlas, vs a new player in a trial atlas, and Elaine, wont let him.

[SpiralRazor]

Six states it correctly.

[Brazo Izquierdo de Muerte]

for the record my point in this was if you wanna get better keep playing. go find a team make freinds get better dont rely on some one or something to do it for you. if your gonna be a good pilot your gonna be good. if your gonna suck your gonna suck. work on it get better at it. all im saying is when you come here make freinds and find ppl to play with. if you go in alone with no stratagy or plan yeah your prolly gonna lose. ive lost plenty of matches and ive won plenty of matches. the whole whine in this comminity is beacause ppl dont understand that they have to work with other ppl. The team that works together the best and has good builds with ppl that are comfortable in their builds of mech is prolly the one thats gonna win. look at it in reaility do you always go up aginst the best? no some times you just dont. some times you do.


the best match making we had was on MA2. you got in you made freinds you invited thos freinds that you liked playing with in to a drop room then you picked red or blue side and you fought each other. then if every one liked one another you made a guild and ran aginst other guilds. in this way you always were going up aginst good ppl and ppl that you wanted to be aginst. this Elo stat crap is not needed.

and no i dont pug stomp thats stupid. i run with my guild some games we win some games we lose simple as that. but the fact is you have to work together in this game and alot of ppl dont want to.

and hey if your getting stomped on cause your all by yourself and not working with your team then the only person you have to blame is your self. and there are plenty of times im out by my self away from my team mates and i end up dead or pretty messed up. but for the most part no one talks in groups, other than good luck have fun, to good game thats usually about it. some times not but most of the time that holds true.

But like i said practice makes perfect. i hope every one gets good so every one gets to play every one else.

Edited by Alisyn Chaynes, 25 February 2013 - 12:03 AM.

[Inveramsay]

Alisyn Chaynes, on 24 February 2013 - 11:54 PM, said:

for the record my point in this was if you wanna get better keep playing. go find a team make freinds get better dont rely on some one or something to do it for you. if your gonna be a good pilot your gonna be good. if your gonna suck your gonna suck. work on it get better at it. all im saying is when you come here makes freinds and find ppl to play with. if you go in alone with no stratagy or plan yeah your prolly gonna lose. ive lost plenty of matches and ive won plenty of matches. the whole whine in this comminity is beacause ppl dont understand that they have to work with other ppl. The team that works together the best and has good builds with ppl that are comfortable in their builds of mech is prolly the one thats gonna win. look at it in reaility do you always go up aginst the best? no some times you just dont. some times you do.


the best match making we had was on MA2. you got in you made freinds you invited thos freinds that you liked playing with in to a drop room then you picked red or blue side and you fought each other. then if every one liked one another you made a guild and ran aginst other guilds. in this way you always were going up aginst good ppl and ppl that you wanted to be aginst. this Elo stat crap is not needed.

So you're (please note its use) trying to tell me all was well before and that I simply need to find four others and run with them? Not going to happen, I want a fair fight and not win the vast majority of my matches because the opposition wouldn't be able to hold a candle against us? Do you mod other games to make it easier? That is what this basically is. Besides, even so you'd only get a fair fight even as a four man drop, or at least a bit fairer.

[Brazo Izquierdo de Muerte]

Inveramsay, on 25 February 2013 - 12:01 AM, said:

So you're (please note its use) trying to tell me all was well before and that I simply need to find four others and run with them? Not going to happen, I want a fair fight and not win the vast majority of my matches because the opposition wouldn't be able to hold a candle against us? Do you mod other games to make it easier? That is what this basically is. Besides, even so you'd only get a fair fight even as a four man drop, or at least a bit fairer.

im saying if your alone in this game your prolly gonna die. so you should makes some freinds and work out a plan and see if it works. and thank you for the correcting of my your vs you're im glad you speak with perfect english and grammer at all times.

[Red Klown X]

whatever you do , good or elite , a player in a raven 3L with a ping of 11 will kill you .

Low ping got the wyaiwys : where you aim is where you shoot !

[Thirdstar]

OP is terrible at trolling. That is all.

[Vassago Rain]

Always the golds...

[KharnZor]

Vassago Rain, on 25 February 2013 - 12:49 AM, said:

Always the golds...

Nope. sometimes its you

[GalaxyBluestar]

this is soooooo going to blow over by next week when elo has settled people in and no one will be going against a team of desperate tourneys all using the best and suspiciously similar builds every match.

honestly elo is a good thing and for the first version from pgi it's doing really well, in a few months time we might have version 2 which helps close the gap between a team of half elite half incompetants vs the same on the other side stopping the "why am i dropped with idiots/why am i dropped with ubercheese elite killers" whine that has flared up all of a sudden.

[Lupin]

I am not sure if I or people on this topic are missing the point but ELO was designed to drop you with similar skilled players?
Yes I know it needs work and as it needs players to play to fine tune data (Likely reason for event this weekend).

So good thing right. Unless you want to cheat and pug stomp players who are not as skilled as you.

[5th Fedcom Rat]

MacKerris, on 24 February 2013 - 01:35 PM, said:

ROFL, never was and never will be. In fact Elo has been proven not to work with multiplayer games and or multiple statistics. Even if it did I do not like it, nor do I agree with the premise that I should be segregated. Personally I would prefer to go up against the top players and loose every time in comparison to being "placed where I belong".

Frankly I don't want players who lose every time anywhere near me, my mech or my team when I drop solo. I love to help new players learn this game, but not when I'm getting stomped 0-8. ELO helps protect top tier solo players as much as bottom tier new players. It protects them by ensuring they are grouped with equally skilled solo or 4-man players, which is the only way they stand a chance against premade teams stacked with above average players.

Personally I think ELO has already improved the game immensely for me. It means I don't have to carry 75% of the PUG players I drop with on my shoulders (impossible if I'm in a subpar mech). It means most people on my team do more than 100-200 damage each. And gasp it means I'm often not at the top of the scoreboard for my team any more. That's a good thing.

[gamingogre]

Weight balancing is needed. I just finished an alpine map there we won hands down, but we lost big time to points because there team had a light to cap and our team had NO LIGHTS at all. Light mechs (and tonnage) must be balanced ahead of this elo thing.

[Belorion]

LordBraxton, on 24 February 2013 - 01:55 PM, said:

where did the weight balancing go?

just in time to make my trebby obsolete

I am pretty sure it is still balancing on weight, but it relaxes the weight a little if it is apparent that no match is going to be made. I personally really like that system.

As one of the take the punches and play to win crowd, I still think there is nothing wrong with the elo system. I would rather be challenged and get placed against other people at or above my skill level that to be matched with noobs.

[Boymonkey]

Came back after a break and I have no clue what they have done with MMing but the games are so much better now.

[Major Scumbag]

I took about a week off and came back to see the effects of ELO. For the first time a game caters to and admits that ELO will favor pugs and single ques. I joined the 3 friends I normally drop with and I asked why are you guys puging. The then inform me of the change. We tried a group and did 4 matches. Complete utter garbage. I noticed out of the 4 games played I was the only assualt on the team and infact the rest were med and lights. While the other side had 4 to 5 assualts. I will not go back to pugging when you guys cant figure the match making out. You guys gets whines about pugs stomping and what do you guys do??? Punish the people that want to group together and favor to the pug. Well time for another break and might come back late on if it gets better. I did have faith in this game and last 3 updates are going backwards. Alpine is a complete joke as well.

[Kraven Kor]

SlXSlXSlX, on 24 February 2013 - 01:46 PM, said:

Do i have to logically pick this guy apart too, or can I take a break and just laugh at him?

Wheres the issue OP? Mad you get paired based on your padded stats? and not your actual skill?

http://mwomercs.com/...ing-experience/

My stats were not even all that padded and I've been getting my face stomped in more often than not, unless I PUG where I get about 50/50 it seems.

BUTIDONWANNAPUG!

Edited by Kraven Kor, 28 February 2013 - 10:34 AM.