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[Tickdoff Tank]

Sometimes even the best pilot gets face rolled. You come around a corner and a D-DC smacks you with 3 SRM6s and an AC20 right in the kisser, even if you survive you are hurting and will most likely die sooner rather than later. Crap happens. Looks like you had a solid, if not spectacular team. But I frequently find that the "spectacular" teams do not have anyone with damage over 600-650, because the really good pilots are hitting the weak spots and getting kills long before they do that much damage.

[SlXSlXSlX]

Lynx, tahts a good call man. Their atlas's n stalker did seem to be a 4 man, and our centurion was abnormally pro.

Elaine, Maggie, and Betty.. I like it.



The women of Mech Warrior. (notice they all look kinda bhitchy). I wouldnt phiss them off.

As for your criticism of Elaine, dont you think its still far better than the previous meta, that didnt consider these things at all. Heres afine example that weight alone, matters little. Our centurions, had more more of an impact than our "other atlas" for example.

Tickdoff Tank, on 24 February 2013 - 08:32 PM, said:

Sometimes even the best pilot gets face rolled. You come around a corner and a D-DC smacks you with 3 SRM6s and an AC20 right in the kisser, even if you survive you are hurting and will most likely die sooner rather than later. Crap happens. Looks like you had a solid, if not spectacular team. But I frequently find that the "spectacular" teams do not have anyone with damage over 600-650, because the really good pilots are hitting the weak spots and getting kills long before they do that much damage.

Just had to slip in a jab there huh. I see what you did there.

[Roland]

There is, literally, no reason to not pack ecm on the atlas DC.

[SlXSlXSlX]

Davers, on 24 February 2013 - 08:30 PM, said:

You were 20 tons heavier and won. Maybe I am misunderstanding what you are saying?

IF, and this is a big if, you count mr dead weight bottom of the list atlas. I for one, am not.

Roland, on 24 February 2013 - 08:36 PM, said:

There is, literally, no reason to not pack ecm on the atlas DC.

Oh yes there is, I need those 2 tons for cooling. And I find the best negator of lrms is cover. Also I am stubborn. I love when ppl ask me why I dont have ecm on my DDC, and I tell them, ecm is for noobs.

To me, it makes little difference. I do as well without as I imagine id do with it.

Edited by SlXSlXSlX, 24 February 2013 - 08:39 PM.

[anonymous175]

Wingbreaker, on 24 February 2013 - 07:07 PM, said:

I miss Patlabor with the old crew

They should have teamed up with the Dominion Tank crew to make NonLAPDMechBattletech

[Lynx7725]

SlXSlXSlX, on 24 February 2013 - 08:36 PM, said:

As for your criticism of Elaine, dont you think its still far better than the previous meta, that didnt consider these things at all. Heres afine example that weight alone, matters little. Our centurions, had more more of an impact than our "other atlas" for example.

I don't know. I wasn't here long before the ELO kicked in, what I had was just a few Pugstomps done on my group, but it's also truly random.. some days you get good guys, some days you don't. You get a dice roll every time you drop in, but that means each roll is fair (sort of) unless everyone is pre-making PugStorm groups, in which case the meta's destroyed anyway. Under ELO, you're stuck in that banding until you lose big or you win big... and winning seems to punish the casual player.

But it's early days yet, so too early to tell. At the very least, this match you were in looks to be a close-run thing? Elaine is supposed to pass your dockets to Maggie to sort, so at the very least it seems to be working in your case.

[SlXSlXSlX]

Lynx7725, on 24 February 2013 - 09:08 PM, said:

some days you get good guys, some days you don't. You get a dice roll every time you drop in, but that means each roll is fair (sort of) unless everyone is pre-making PugStorm groups, in which case the meta's destroyed anyway.

Which is exactly what it had been for about 6 months, pre Elaine. And that is exactly why I wont sit idly by and watch these golds QQ their way into convincing PGI to recert back to that.

Count yourself lucky you didnt join pre Elaine, you missed some terrible terrible gaming experiences. Well, at leastt they were terrible for anyone who wasnt in a 4 man, ravaging the new blood for the sake of "good stats".

[Commander Kobold]

SlXSlXSlX, on 24 February 2013 - 07:01 PM, said:

snip

Umm the muromets can't carry ecm :/ no heavy can.

[SlXSlXSlX]

Omni 13, on 24 February 2013 - 09:28 PM, said:

Umm the muromets can't carry ecm :/ no heavy can.

I know. I think your missing the bigger picture here.

[Tickdoff Tank]

SlXSlXSlX, on 24 February 2013 - 08:36 PM, said:

Just had to slip in a jab there huh. I see what you did there.

Honestly, it was not intended as a jab. I was not very specific in my statement. While I maintain that the "best" pilots do not *usually* have super high damage scores, it does depend on the weapon mix they are using. If you are mounting a lot of SRMs or LRMs you are going to have a higher average damage per kill than a player with dual AC20s, simply because the missiles are spreading the damage around more than the ACs will. There are excellent pilots that use all kinds of different weapons, whatever fits their playstyle. And a good pilot may also be "playing around" with an unusual loadout and still melt some faces.

Another thing to consider is "mopping up" after the enemy is weakened. I was in a Conquest match on Frozen City this evening while in my Trebuchet . The main group was moving to Theta when we made contact with the enemy and I thought it would be a good idea to grab the cap quickly and then return to the fight. I forgot that I was in my 7K and not the 7M which became an issue when I tried to use my non-existant jump jets to get back over the ridge (oops), by the time I made the long run to enter the fight the enemy was pretty well beat up. I managed 3 kills in about 30 seconds simply by finishing off the mechs that were already red in the CT. If this was not a team game then I would almost feel bad about "kill stealing" even though most of my team was already dead. (Then I ran into a nasty SRM6 Stalker that removed my face, CT, LT and L arm in one solid shot).

My Elo score probably went up from that, even though I made a big mistake and lucked into the kills.

Note: It is almost impossible for my Elo to go DOWN, unless it can be a negative number

Edited by Tickdoff Tank, 24 February 2013 - 09:55 PM.

[Davers]

Tickdoff Tank, on 24 February 2013 - 09:54 PM, said:

Honestly, it was not intended as a jab. I was not very specific in my statement. While I maintain that the "best" pilots do not *usually* have super high damage scores, it does depend on the weapon mix they are using. If you are mounting a lot of SRMs or LRMs you are going to have a higher average damage per kill than a player with dual AC20s, simply because the missiles are spreading the damage around more than the ACs will. There are excellent pilots that use all kinds of different weapons, whatever fits their playstyle. And a good pilot may also be "playing around" with an unusual loadout and still melt some faces.

Another thing to consider is "mopping up" after the enemy is weakened. I was in a Conquest match on Frozen City this evening while in my Trebuchet . The main group was moving to Theta when we made contact with the enemy and I thought it would be a good idea to grab the cap quickly and then return to the fight. I forgot that I was in my 7K and not the 7M which became an issue when I tried to use my non-existant jump jets to get back over the ridge (oops), by the time I made the long run to enter the fight the enemy was pretty well beat up. I managed 3 kills in about 30 seconds simply by finishing off the mechs that were already red in the CT. If this was not a team game then I would almost feel bad about "kill stealing" even though most of my team was already dead. (Then I ran into a nasty SRM6 Stalker that removed my face, CT, LT and L arm in one solid shot).

My Elo score probably went up from that, even though I made a big mistake and lucked into the kills.

The rest of your team appreciated the assists I am sure, even posthumously.

[UnseenFury]

Y u don't carry ECM inside of u?

[SlXSlXSlX]

To make u mad, and fire more weapons b4 i overheat.

[One Medic Army]

Okay, the D-DC has been the premier brawling atlas since closed beta, ECM just made it a bit better, it's always been a nasty brawling mech.

Now go run a Raven 3L with no ECM when there's ECM lights on the other team and tell me how you do.

[SlXSlXSlX]

One Medic Army, on 24 February 2013 - 10:30 PM, said:

Okay, the D-DC has been the premier brawling atlas since closed beta, ECM just made it a bit better, it's always been a nasty brawling mech.

Now go run a Raven 3L with no ECM when there's ECM lights on the other team and tell me how you do.

Damn you medic. I gave u props once for personally observing you win a 3v1 in your hunch, and this is how you repay me? Coming in here with your good arguemnts.

To that I say, I do not run light mechs, now will I ever. I wasnt a light tank driver in wot, nor am i a light mech driver here. Thats not my style.

But your right about teh ddc, its abest brawler. That i have jsut a little more cooling than the next ddc has won me most 1v1 atlas fights ive had this weekend, when they pwr down after a few exchanges, i focus the head and alpha. Seems to work.

Heres my counter question? Does that make my points wrong?

Really all I want about ecm, is the prevention of missle warrior online, but thats in a diff thread, and does not relate to the op here.

Anything to add here? As it relates to Elaine?

Edited by SlXSlXSlX, 24 February 2013 - 10:38 PM.

[Lefty Lucy]

Just confirming I am a dude. I actually prefer "lefty" to "lucy" but people seem to think that if they call me lucy often enough I'll turn into a lady

[GalaxyBluestar]

working as intended

i bet the other assaults involved had more long range setups and thus were not as effective in the smother play moving through city streets favour. it's very easy to stick to a group for saftey in numbers only to realise you and perhaps your group should've held back for sniping distance denying the enemy of their more powerfull close range play.

this mishandling of weapon loadouts to stratagy transition or to put it simply fielding 5 rocks against a few paper, the paper wins. this effect is also more prevelent during pugging as TS people can call out and direct alot more easily what firepower should go where on the field.

there you 666 you out papered a lot of rocks that match. well done.

[DisasterTheory]

Nice sig pic.... too bad its got a Deviant art water mark across it lol

[SlXSlXSlX]

Nerf paper?

For the record, they rushed us, so I guess it would be their folly. I did not note their loadouts, but i can tell u the atlas's and stalker came off upper city trying to pinch us. The cents fell back and circled, i moved in and tried to FF as best i could on the most hurt ones. It wasnt beautiful, it was aslugfest mess, but god it was fun.

BLOODREDSINGLE, on 24 February 2013 - 10:41 PM, said:

Nice sig pic.... too bad its got a Deviant art water mark across it lol

Man i jsut cant win. I made that myself, with paint brush, but ya it came w some mark on it.

[Norris J Packard]

Bubba Wilkins, on 24 February 2013 - 07:39 PM, said:

You see those 3 mechs with 7 assists and two others with 5? It means they did all the work and you lucked out.

I hear that all time, but it is truly a shallow point.

I can get 8 Assists, having done less than 8 damage. Don't believe me? Truly using a Machine Gun Spider sometime.

I am not saying the OP isn't an blowhard (he is, and an imbecile that injures his own team by not taking ECM) who got lucky, but I'd say that in all good conscious he probably did most of the leg work with at least a few of those dudes.

Maybe not though... depends on the build of that Elmo who came in second. If he was using a build like I do on that (not a Triple UAC/5), there is a very good chance that that guy actually did most of the work. I've never broken 700 damage and don't have at least 5 kills with the build I use, so there is a very distinct chance that SIXSIXSIX (whose terrible picture almost made me seek medical attention) didn't do any real work whatsoever and he owes that victory to the Elmo.