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[Mordynak]

Here is my current setup.

http://mwo.smurfy-ne...b14895c07e9412c

Is there anything better i can do?

[ParasiteX]

First of all. I would get rid of that TAG in the head.. serves you no purpose.. Plus, what are you gonna do when both your side torsos are gone? Tag the enemy to death?

Get rid of that TAG, and trim down the armor a bit. And slap on a Medium pulse laser in the head instead. Will work as a great backup weapon in-case your side torsos are gone. And if you get into close combat

http://mwo.smurfy-ne...b4c864622be9b89

Edited by ParasiteX, 05 March 2013 - 03:15 PM.

[Mordynak]

TAG is handy for err... tagging enemies to help my team out...

[Hex Pallett]

Mordynak, on 05 March 2013 - 03:23 PM, said:

TAG is handy for err... tagging enemies to help my team out...

Let those damn LRM boats carry their own damn TAG.

Put another ML in head, portion a bit more armor to your LT back, and...maybe take off an DHS. lower leg armor a bit and add an AMS?

Other than that, nothing much.

Edited by Helmstif, 05 March 2013 - 03:28 PM.

[Mordynak]

Hemlstif, sure ive played you in the past..?

Anyway good point about the LRM boats.
Had thought about moving armour to my back. Will do now.
Not sure about AMS though. So heavy for little gain most of the time.

[WaddeHaddeDudeda]

Remove the TAG, remove endosteel, remove some armor, downgrade to a STD 250, make use of 2 additional DHS, stick to 8 ML but make sure to put one into your head.

EDIT: Pass on AMS. With proper use of the given terrain you don't need it in 99 % of all cases. And once the time come for this 1 % your AMS will take down about 5 incoming missiles from like....60? or 80?
How is this going to help?

Edited by WaddeHaddeDudeda, 05 March 2013 - 03:47 PM.

[Mordynak]

Sorry Wadde but thats a pretty crap sounding idea.

My heat efficiency is fine at 1.14 at the minute. I rarely overheat.

So i would basically be removing all that stuff for no gain....

Plus, i couldnt possibly fit another two DHS.....

Edited by Mordynak, 05 March 2013 - 03:47 PM.

[Black Alexidor]

Classic Surgeon:

2 ML (in arms)
7 SL

20 DHS
S260
320 Armor

*you can use a S255 and swap the head SL for a ML

** Learn to leg

Edited by Black Alexidor, 05 March 2013 - 04:57 PM.

[Spheroid]

You could try a STD 250, Endo, 8 MLas, 17 DHS, AMS and BAP. I think those might help more than TAG, but it depends on the map.

Edited by Spheroid, 05 March 2013 - 10:45 PM.

[WaddeHaddeDudeda]

Mordynak, on 05 March 2013 - 03:47 PM, said:

Sorry Wadde but thats a pretty crap sounding idea.

Np. To each his own!
I'm running mine with 8 ML, STD 250 and 20 DHS - can't say its the most efficient mech I have in terms of heat (3 alphas = shutdown), so I personally don't have a clue how less DHS are working for you (unless you're not firing in alphas - which would be a waste).
But if it's working for you = cool!

[kevin roshak]

I run a very similar build now
http://mwo.smurfy-ne...6e6fd3ef53578bf

IMO every bit of missile defense helps, esp with the magnified missile damage.

I used to run
http://mwo.smurfy-ne...ed0b52dab731e17

Not as heat efficient, but you need to use your groupings properly

G1-Arm lasers
G2- 3 torso lasers
G3- other 3 torso lasers
G4-head laser

smash all for the alpha or G5 if you have that many buttons on the mouse.
I use those groupings for both builds

[Ewigan]

I do run the build that wadde described, and it is in fact a one-trick-pony.

One alpha gets you up to 52% heat, after 3 alphas you're out. But as you can keep chain-firing that really is no problem IF you are capable of doing so

Had a fun moment with mine yesterday:

River city night, my team was defending the higher (our) cap. the enemy team came over upper city and they were duking it out long range. I made runs with it, trying to get some damage in and then run back out.
After a few runs already i was nearly cored... and then i saw "base under attack".
I ran back, and scared a 3L off our base. Did some decent damage to it, thanks to state rewind.
After that i kept low though, trying to get a few shots with my Meds out and not being damaged anymore.
Then i saw them: their raven with a balanced (!!!!) K2 coming into view. the raven quickly running up to our base, looking left, then looking right.... Nope, i stood right. Instantsly melted his face off with my 8 Med. Lazors (one was destroyed before...).
The raven pilot took it like a champ though and bursted into laughter over the general chat.
it was fun

[Parappaman]

Yeah, the medium lasers bonanza is funny, but I rarely end up doing well with it.

This has become my go-to 4P setup: HBK-4P

Having a more powerful head laser is useless, when both your torsos are gone you are basically toast in a few seconds.
Large lasers help you poke enemies at a distance, while the small lasers array is a beast of a close range alpha strike with relatively little heat and a fast recharge.
Feel free to swap the AMS for 1-2 additional heatsinks adjusting leg armor accordingly (legging a Hunchback is almost as rare as legging an Atlas, you don't really need plenty armor there unless you carry ammo in a different variant).


As a side note, never ever risk an XL engine in a Crunchback... I learned this the hard way.

[Ravennus]

Honestly, I would save the MLAS boating for when you fully unlock your Elites... and all the extra heat dissipation that gives you.

I currently run 18 DHS, 7 MLAS grouped (Head and Torso) with 2 MPLAS in the arms for finishing off damaged mechs and targeting fast movers.
I can alpha the 7 MLAS together, and only get to about 30% heat. Takes me 4 back-to-back alphas to shut down.
Just hold off on the MPLAS until you really need them.


However, I leveled the 4P with a 260 engine, 20 DHS, 7 SLAS/2 MLAS build.
It was great, and really helped me learn the mech. Heat is fantastic and the SLAS are super efficient. The 2 MLAS give you a little range and finishing power.


But now that I've mastered the 4P, I'm using the first build I mentioned. I love it, ESPECIALLY since the latest patch.
Unless I get focus fired right away, I often lead the scoreboard. I just finished a match where I outscored 2 Atlai on my team (combined!).

Just do what you do with other mediums.... hit and run. Skirmish. Don't stay and brawl if you can help it.
Get those lasers on target, then get out of sight and do it again. If your aim is true, you can wipe the floor with mechs twice your size.

[Corvus Antaka]

you should always mount a medium laser in the hunchbacks head. I've won 2 or 3 games with nothing but that laser left plinking away at the enemy.

[Hresvelgr]

My 4P has 2 Medium Lasers in arms, full array of Medium Pulses in RT and 1 Medium Pulse in head. Also filled with DHS to the max, heat efficiency 1.08. Quite hot for alphas strikes, but you can run around fast and maintain constant pulse laser fire in chained mode. Except for making your enemy feel they're constantly being ripped apart it also does some good damage. Also good for hunting lights. And in case you need to quickly steal a kill - alpha is alway there

[Jerod Drekmor]

Parappaman, on 06 March 2013 - 01:31 AM, said:

Yeah, the medium lasers bonanza is funny, but I rarely end up doing well with it.

This has become my go-to 4P setup: HBK-4P

Having a more powerful head laser is useless, when both your torsos are gone you are basically toast in a few seconds.
Large lasers help you poke enemies at a distance, while the small lasers array is a beast of a close range alpha strike with relatively little heat and a fast recharge.
Feel free to swap the AMS for 1-2 additional heatsinks adjusting leg armor accordingly (legging a Hunchback is almost as rare as legging an Atlas, you don't really need plenty armor there unless you carry ammo in a different variant).


As a side note, never ever risk an XL engine in a Crunchback... I learned this the hard way.

Little low on armour IMO to run in with SL....

"I currently run 18 DHS, 7 MLAS grouped (Head and Torso) with 2 MPLAS in the arms" This sounds good...and do you get those 30% with Basic dubbled or without?

[Ravennus]

Jerod Drekmor, on 06 March 2013 - 04:50 PM, said:

Little low on armour IMO to run in with SL....

"I currently run 18 DHS, 7 MLAS grouped (Head and Torso) with 2 MPLAS in the arms" This sounds good...and do you get those 30% with Basic dubbled or without?

With doubled basics, as I mentioned.
And that is just from the grouped 7 MLAS. I don't fire the MPLAS unless I am finishing off a mech or chasing a light.
I also have a 3rd group that just chain fires the MLAS, and I use that when hit but an enemy mech is almost dead.

[Reported for Inappropriate Name]

260 standard 9 small lasers. anything you catch dies

[Dr B00t]

Mordynak, on 05 March 2013 - 03:23 PM, said:

TAG is handy for err... tagging enemies to help my team out...

guy is right about the lrm boats though...i tend to group the head w/ the torso laz0rs and put the arms on another group

the recent patch helps w/ laz0r hits against lights...

6ml on body and 2 sl on the arms...ams and 17 total double heatsinks w/ a std250 engine...
i never use xl engines on anything but a scout or catapult (haven't tried stalker series yet) because of the hitbox size of the side torsos
if i see a 4p coming at me or a 4g i always go for the shoulder

i max out all armor except the legs...which is sitting at 39

hope that helps?

Edited by Dr B00t, 06 March 2013 - 07:08 PM.