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[TerebNeerg]

Ghogiel, on 28 February 2013 - 01:01 PM, said:

Boats. Any boat. Also ECM changes any mech into cheese.

short list:

3L ravens
AC20 cats
Splatcats
gausscats
streakmandos
3D jumphracts
DDCs
PPC STKs
LRM boats

This is just silly, you've classified at least half of all mech builds as cheese.

So since PPC stalkers, LRM stalkers and SRM stalkers are all considered "cheese", what Stalker isn't?
So if gauss, LRM and SRM catapults are cheese, what Catapult isn't?

[Psikez]

TerebNeerg, on 28 February 2013 - 07:16 PM, said:

This is just silly, you've classified at least half of all mech builds as cheese.

So since PPC stalkers, LRM stalkers and SRM stalkers are all considered "cheese", what Stalker isn't?
So if gauss, LRM and SRM catapults are cheese, what Catapult isn't?

Stalkers are 2 cheese mechs crammed into one bro, too many MLAS and too many SRM6 all at the same time

[Ghogiel]

TerebNeerg, on 28 February 2013 - 07:16 PM, said:

This is just silly, you've classified at least half of all mech builds as cheese.

So since PPC stalkers, LRM stalkers and SRM stalkers are all considered "cheese", what Stalker isn't?
So if gauss, LRM and SRM catapults are cheese, what Catapult isn't?

I don't make the rules mang.

You can make mixed load out builds with both STKs and CPLTs.

You do not see them all that often, but they re out there.

Psikez, on 28 February 2013 - 07:18 PM, said:

Stalkers are 2 cheese mechs crammed into one bro, too many MLAS and too many SRM6 all at the same time

Cheese sammich?

Edited by Ghogiel, 28 February 2013 - 07:20 PM.

[TerebNeerg]

And ELO is definitely active. I haven't seen a trial 'mech in ages.

[Psikez]

Ghogiel, on 28 February 2013 - 07:19 PM, said:

I don't make the rules mang.

You can make mixed load out builds with both STKs and CPLTs.

You do not see them all that often, but they re out there.

I can see it now! 2 small lasers, 1 small pulse laser, 1 PPC, 1 ER PPC, 1 ER Large laser, 2 SRM 4s, 2 LRM 5s, and an LRM 10

[silentD11]

TerebNeerg, on 28 February 2013 - 07:16 PM, said:

This is just silly, you've classified at least half of all mech builds as cheese.

anything that isn't a stock mech is cheese it seems

Edited by Niko Snow, 01 March 2013 - 12:28 PM.

[Tickdoff Tank]

I run my Stalker 3F with the following:

2 ERPPCs
1 LL
1 LRM15
3SSRM2s

And I have been called a "cheese" build many times. The term has lost all meaning/

[OuttaAmmo NoWai]

Half of the builds you mentioned aren't even cheese builds...you're just whining about getting killed.

How is a 3xUAC Muromets, Guasspult, or DDC a cheese mech?

[JudgeDeathCZ]

Well I have to say it is not funny if I encounter 4xRaven-3L or 4xSplatcat playing as a lance when I am in Trebuchet with 2xERLLas,1xAC5 and 2xSRM2.
This makes me cry how this game is rulled by minmaxers with cheesy builds instead of players with skill.

[Royalewithcheese]

JudgeDeathCZ, on 28 February 2013 - 07:56 PM, said:

Well I have to say it is not funny if I encounter 4xRaven-3L or 4xSplatcat playing as a lance when I am in Trebuchet with 2xERLLas,1xAC5 and 2xSRM2.
This makes me cry how this game is rulled by minmaxers with cheesy builds instead of players with skill.

IMO if you intentionally make a bad mech you kinda know what you're getting into.

[Mechwarrior Buddah]

TerebNeerg, on 28 February 2013 - 07:16 PM, said:

This is just silly, you've classified at least half of all mech builds as cheese.

kinda why I started ignoring that little troll lol

[Ghogiel]

Mechwarrior Buddah, on 28 February 2013 - 08:19 PM, said:

kinda why I started ignoring that little troll lol

Haters gonna hate

[Ghogiel]

Jackson Jax Teller, on 28 February 2013 - 08:31 PM, said:

I clicked on his name and started looking at his posts...
1/5296 is less than half by a LOT.

You're just jelly.

[NocturnalBeast]

Call them cheese builds if you want, but they are only as good as the person piloting them. Also, if you insist upon playing a non "cheese build" for whatever reason and you lose to "cheese builds", don't cry about it, no one is stopping you from using a "cheese build."

[JudgeDeathCZ]

Royalewithcheese, on 28 February 2013 - 08:18 PM, said:

IMO if you intentionally make a bad mech you kinda know what you're getting into.

Well bad mech which soloed D-DC .
Yeah I can do the same with splatcat or 3L...I just do not need that skill to do so

[Asmosis]

what isnt a cheesebuild according to bad players? every single mech i've piloted (INCLUDING the trial atlas) i have been called a cheese mech. gotten to the point i'd just as soon assume its the paintjob.

(that would be jenners, catapults, stalkers, cataphracts(no jj) and a variety of trial mechs)

Edited by Asmosis, 28 February 2013 - 08:50 PM.

[Vlad Ward]

JudgeDeathCZ, on 28 February 2013 - 08:45 PM, said:

Well bad mech which soloed D-DC .
Yeah I can do the same with splatcat or 3L...I just do not need that skill to do so

What happens when you get a skilled player behind that D-DC?

Worldview = Crushed.

[Dark Baron]

NRP, on 28 February 2013 - 12:47 PM, said:

Can't really say I've noticed any more cheese builds than before. On the other hand, it seems the definition of "cheese build" gets looser and looser as time goes on. Sometimes it seems like any build that kills someone is a cheese build.

Seems?? Why you know, I do believe you have hit upon said very definition.

[Ghogiel]

Asmosis, on 28 February 2013 - 08:49 PM, said:

what isnt a cheesebuild according to bad players? every single mech i've piloted (INCLUDING the trial atlas) i have been called a cheese mech. gotten to the point i'd just as soon assume its the paintjob.

(that would be jenners, catapults, stalkers, cataphracts(no jj) and a variety of trial mechs)

Atlas are 100tons

100tons is cheese

(also a swiss cheese camospec would be totally cheese and OP)

[TheGreatNoNo]

Iwaslost, on 28 February 2013 - 12:58 PM, said:

According to the forums a cheese build is something that people find easy to use and/or do well in.

Then my 4SP with two srm 4 and five mediums is a cheese build
To me a AC20 cat is not cheese , because of speed, lack of armor or various other sacrifice the pilot has to made to field it. Was in a match with three of them twice yesterday and our team ate them for lunch, hell the first group did not score higher then 140 damage, but god help you if they get too close.

LRM boats are not cheese because they depend on their allies almost completely, a pure LRM boat is one tasty tasty lunch if someone comes to their rescue.

PPC Stalker is not cheese due to sheer heat of both version, and at close range is nearly as defenseless as a pure LRM boat, save the erppc boat who will over heat in NO TIME, same for the ppc atlas, all version rely on the pilot being a decent shot.

Gauss builds, are not cheese, due to nerfed guass being extra explodie and requiring aim and sheer weight.

Poptart 3D build is not cheese, but is annoying as hell watching that thing bounce up and down. Don`t know why it bothers me so, I rarely die to one.
There are a few that I probably missed but I`m done thinking. I will close with saying I hate streaks

Edited by Lost One, 28 February 2013 - 09:00 PM.