45 replies to this topic

[Fred013]

Ok, so everyone hates Raven 3Ls carrying ECM + Streaks. I do too. But I bought and mastered the Raven 3L before ECM came out. Am I going to sell it because it's the FOTM? No. Am I going to cheese it up with streaks? No.

I want to ask the community if they have anything against raven 3Ls WITHOUT streaks.

I don't.

( I run my raven with 3MLAS + SRM6 ECM)

Edited by Fred013, 01 March 2013 - 02:44 PM.

[Termius]

It's the terrible hitboxes that make me hate the raven. It feels like it takes more hits then most mechs and all the while it only weighs 35 tons.

The streaks aren't the issue for me, but the way they work with ECM does cause some grief.

Edited by Termius, 01 March 2013 - 02:31 PM.

[Nathan Foxbane]

I have seen a 3L with a six-pack on occasion. When they do well it is a testament to the pilot's skill. That said it is still a light running like its life depended on it (because it does) with ECM. I feel obliged to kill it or try anyways.

[Johnny Morgan]

I stop playing my Raven 3L mainly because I got bored of streaks.

I reconfigured it the other day back to 3xML, 1xSRM6, 1xNARC, ECM, XL 275 (140 with tweak).

Totally loving the mech again but the netcode issue is still a factor, once that is fixed and collisions back lights will be way more interesting to pilot again. They are kind of boring right now.

[Fred013]

Unfortunately, all Raven 3Ls SHOULD carry ECM. They were designed to. They would be less OP if they didn't have 2 Missile Hardpoints, but instead has 1 Missile 1 NARC. (yes, a NARC hardpoint.)

Edited by Fred013, 01 March 2013 - 02:37 PM.

[Johnny Morgan]

Fred013, on 01 March 2013 - 02:36 PM, said:

Unfortunately, all Raven 3Ls SHOULD carry ECM. They were designed to. They would be less OP if they didn't have 2 Missile Hardpoints, but instead has 1 Missile 1 NARC. (yes, a NARC hardpoint.)

For anyone that hasn't tried it at least... give it a go. 1 SRM 6 more than makes up for the streaks (and ECM doesn't screw you) and NARC isn't as bad as people say. Feels good to play it this way.

[Garbagecan]

Why don't you have the 5th option-Raven 3L with streaks is fine in my book!

[Fred013]

Garbagecan, on 01 March 2013 - 02:39 PM, said:

Why don't you have the 5th option-Raven 3L with streaks is fine in my book!

Thats the 4th one.

[Garbagecan]

derp

[Grizley]

I think one of the major problems with the 3L is wonky hit boxes that make direct fire weapons less effective than they should be and ECM that makes auto target weapons fail.

Now not carrying streaks helps with the whole auto win vs other lights but it does make you much more effective against heavies. Assuming you're rocking an SRM4/6 instead.

[Johnny Morgan]

also the Cicada 3M is my goto ECM mech, I'm kind of in love with mediums in general right now.

3M can be a lot of fun, I run 4xML (sometimes swap TAG in), 1xLBX-10, ECM and xl 225 I think (have to check, goes around 101 without tweak)

[Fred013]

Added 5th option for is OP without streaks because of hitbox.

[Empedocles]

I unashamedly run a Raven 3L
Unashamedly because I have running a Raven since they were first released. First a 4x and then a 2x once ecm was announced. I have been in MW:O since closed beta and since the wipe prior to open beta, I have only the same 4 mechs, a catapult C4 and 3 ravens. I am, and almost always have been, a Raven pilot.
It gets my goat to be told I'm boating a cheese build. Well I had a bellyfull of being fodder for Jenners and "fastbacks" way back when they were FOTM, so I'm not going to change my mech because it is having it's moment in the sun! The things that make it "so OP" will change in due course, this game is in open beta, but I will continue to pilot the mech that suits me.
My loadout is 2x med. pulse lasers, 2x ssrm 2's (2 tons ammo), TAG, AMS & XL 270 engine.
So my answer to the poll above is NO. I have nothing against Ravens at all!

[Fred013]

Same here, but I was not here in CB

[Kraven Kor]

The 3L is a perfect vortex of cheese, really, through not actual fault of its own.

It is a light, and fast - thus, small and hard to hit naturally, and benefits from lag shield (even if reduced, lag shield is still around.)

On top of that, it has ECM, and Streaks, which when combined allow it to dish out a good amount of damage while not really having to worry so much about return fire from other streak-toting mechs (so long as they win the ECM war.)

Lastly, there is something with their hitboxes or something that makes them seemingly take less damage (as indicated by recent Command Post stuff.)

So they just have a lot of advantages going for them right now, and right now, if you pilot one, you are bad, and should feel bad

[Fred013]

Kraven Kor, on 01 March 2013 - 02:51 PM, said:

So they just have a lot of advantages going for them right now, and right now, if you pilot one, you are bad, and should feel bad

If I pilot a raven 3L with TAG, 2MLAS and 1LRM15, how does that make me a bad pilot?

(I do this sometimes)

Edited by Fred013, 02 March 2013 - 03:43 PM.

[FupDup]

Fred013, on 01 March 2013 - 02:52 PM, said:

Where's the dislike button?

Well, I'm guessing that we lack a dislike button because of its dark side: discouraging people from posting unpopular ideas. We've all seen dumb posts get liked, but I'd personally prefer that over seeing good posts get disliked to Hesperus and back just because it goes against the norm.

His emoticon at the end of his post gives the impression of him merely teasing (at least I would assume such).

[Obeast]

Fred013, on 01 March 2013 - 02:52 PM, said:

Where's the dislike button?
If I pilot a raven 3L with TAG, 2MLAS and 1LRM15, how does that make me a bad pilot?

(I do this sometimes)

Well for one...that is a **** build..on an OP mech...Well maybe it kinda does cancel out!

[Skadi]

I only voted that all Raven 3L's must die because a Raven 3L capped the base on my only Alpine match yesterday before we even found their team...

i hate it when we get all heavys vs assults/lights

[Kurshuk]

Fred013, on 01 March 2013 - 02:27 PM, said:

Ok, so everyone hates Raven 3Ls carrying ECM + Streaks. I do too. But I bought and mastered the Raven 3L before ECM came out. Am I going to sell it because it's the FOTM? No. Am I going to cheese it up with streaks? No.

I want to ask the community if they have anything against raven 3Ls WITHOUT streaks.

I don't.

( I run my raven with 3MLAS + SRM6 ECM)

I made a streakmando today and did considerable damage a couple matches in a row. So I'm looking for a Com2D build kinda like this. I think it'll end up being 1MLAS with a couple of SRM4s jammed in where I have tonnage/room. I tried making it go 100kph and then running 3 SRM6 pods, but I feel like the lagshield is still an issue because at 90 I lost limbs and got toasted in seconds, but at 130 I finish a match still in the yellow on the armor.

Best of luck, see you on the field,
Kurshuk