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[hammerreborn]

Volthorne, on 02 March 2013 - 10:42 PM, said:

And there you go assuming that the craven is using Streaks... What if he's using a six-pack or two instead? Then he gets to nullify streaks and can dish out massive doses of pain (I might actually do this just to see how broken it is. Feels like lots. Lots and lots of broken). Skilled 3L still beats skilled Jenner-anything.

You show me a 3L running 2 SRM6s and I'll show you a bad 3L. That SRM6 coming out of a narc slot is going to do a lot of good against a Jenner that knows how to manuever.

[Nightcrept]

Who honestly cares about sarna and or tt and all the junk.

Ecm in game would be fine IF and only IF.

It's abilities were broken into separate modules and the ones that radiate effects also added heat to the mech in question.

So one module to cloak your mech.
One module to cloak your team etc.

[Volthorne]

hammerreborn, on 02 March 2013 - 10:46 PM, said:

You show me a 3L running 2 SRM6s and I'll show you a bad 3L. That SRM6 coming out of a narc slot is going to do a lot of good against a Jenner that knows how to manuever.

Even if only one missile lands from the NARC slot (this might be solved by chain firing to try and get them both to come out the larger launcher? Needs testing) and all six land from the larger launcher, that's still more damage output than a D. Plus the Jenner is mostly CT, so there's also that....

[Vlad Ward]

Volthorne, on 02 March 2013 - 10:59 PM, said:

Even if only one missile lands from the NARC slot (this might be solved by chain firing to try and get them both to come out the larger launcher? Needs testing) and all six land from the larger launcher, that's still more damage output than a D. Plus the Jenner is mostly CT, so there's also that....

Uh no?

4x ML 2x SRM4 is more damage output than 3x ML 1xSRM6 + 1SRM

[Doc Holliday]

Vlad Ward, on 02 March 2013 - 04:27 PM, said:

COM-2D: 0 Lasers, 3 Missiles, no jets, 150kph, mismatched reticules, significantly reduced Armor

Wrong. COM-2D has an energy hard point in the left arm.


Also, I just figured out what the appropriate counter is for ECM.

Anti-jammer SSRM6: Automatically targets and fires only on enemy mechs with ECM; does not require any targeting or activation from the pilot. Weighs .5 tons. Has 500 non-explosive ammo per ton. Max range 1000 meters. Can only be used on JR7-D, CN9-D, TBT-7M and CLPT-A1. Does not use any hard points.

Edited by Doc Holliday, 02 March 2013 - 11:09 PM.

[Volthorne]

Vlad Ward, on 02 March 2013 - 11:01 PM, said:

Uh no?

4x ML 2x SRM4 is more damage output than 3x ML 1xSRM6 + 1SRM

Total damage output? No. Concentrated damage output? Yes. See this thread for further clarification: http://mwomercs.com/...01#entry1987401

[Nightcrept]

Doc Holliday, on 02 March 2013 - 11:04 PM, said:

Wrong. COM-2D has an energy hard point in the left arm.


Also, I just figured out what the appropriate counter is for ECM.

Anti-jammer SSRM6: Automatically targets and fires only on mechs with ECM; does not require any targeting or activation from the pilot. Weighs .5 tons. Has 500 non-explosive ammo per ton. Max range 1000 meters. Can only be used on JR7-D, CN9-D, TBT-7M and CLPT-A1.

I thought speed was capped.

[Vlad Ward]

Volthorne, on 02 March 2013 - 11:05 PM, said:

Total damage output? No. Concentrated damage output? Yes. See this thread for further clarification: http://mwomercs.com/...01#entry1987401

You've never seen a Jenner fire its SRM racks, have you?

[Volthorne]

Nightcrept, on 02 March 2013 - 11:07 PM, said:

I thought speed was capped.

This is related to the thread how?

Vlad Ward, on 02 March 2013 - 11:08 PM, said:

You've never seen a Jenner fire its SRM racks, have you?

Did you even look at the link?

[Nightcrept]

Volthorne, on 02 March 2013 - 11:09 PM, said:

This is related to the thread how?
Did you even look at the link?

Because I was curious. Can you be nice and answer? Please?

[Vlad Ward]

Volthorne, on 02 March 2013 - 11:09 PM, said:

This is related to the thread how?


Did you even look at the link?

I've seen the thread, but it's not a major issue. It's hard not to hit the same component with the Jenner's dual SRM4s.

[Volthorne]

Nightcrept, on 02 March 2013 - 11:11 PM, said:

Because I was curious. Can you be nice and answer? Please?

...yes, speed is capped, but that's still not relevant.

Vlad Ward, on 02 March 2013 - 11:11 PM, said:

I've seen the thread, but it's not a major issue. It's hard not to hit the same component with the Jenner's dual SRM4s.

So you didn't even read the link. Because the Raven has about 200% more side torso than the Jenner. More side torso = more damage spread = less damage concentration, irregardless of the firing pattern of SRM tubes.

Edited by Volthorne, 02 March 2013 - 11:14 PM.

[hammerreborn]

Volthorne, on 02 March 2013 - 11:05 PM, said:

Total damage output? No. Concentrated damage output? Yes. See this thread for further clarification: http://mwomercs.com/...01#entry1987401

Uh...I would say most of your damage going to the side torsos is a bigger negative for the raven than the Jenner. Just makes it that much quicker to kill them.

And what does this discussion even have to do with the ECM? Are we now arguing that if both the jenner and raven were running srms the raven would win because it's hitboxes spread out damage more than the jenner?

Because that just seems like another in the growing list of reasons the 3L is overpowered that has absolutely nothing to do with it being able to have ECM

Edited by hammerreborn, 02 March 2013 - 11:15 PM.

[Volthorne]

hammerreborn, on 02 March 2013 - 11:13 PM, said:

Uh...I would say most of your damage going to the side torsos is a bigger negative for the raven than the Jenner. Just makes it that much quicker to kill them.

Read above post.

[Vlad Ward]

Volthorne, on 02 March 2013 - 11:13 PM, said:

So you didn't even read the link.

Raven launching SRM6: Probably hit's the Jenner's large CT.

Jenner Launching double SRM4s: Probably hits the Raven's side torso, which has lower HP than the CT anyways and guards and XL.

What's the problem?

[Doc Holliday]

Vlad Ward, on 02 March 2013 - 11:15 PM, said:

Raven launching SRM6: Probably hit's the Jenner's large CT.

Jenner Launching double SRM4s: Probably hits the Raven's side torso, which has lower HP than the CT anyways and guards and XL.

What's the problem?

Because the SRM4's hitting the Raven don't "probably hit the side torso". They probably hit CT and a side torso, or even both side torsos.

[Volthorne]

Vlad Ward, on 02 March 2013 - 11:15 PM, said:

Raven launching SRM6: Probably hit's the Jenner's large CT.

Jenner Launching double SRM4s: Probably hits the Raven's side torso, which has lower HP than the CT anyways and guards and XL.

What's the problem?

Love it when I miss something, go back to edit it in, and then someone quotes me while narrowly missing the edit.

[hammerreborn]

Vlad Ward, on 02 March 2013 - 11:15 PM, said:

Raven launching SRM6: Probably hit's the Jenner's large CT.

Jenner Launching double SRM4s: Probably hits the Raven's side torso, which has lower HP than the CT anyways and guards and XL.

What's the problem?

Side torsos also house ammo and the srm6s.


And if something is 200% more side torso...how is damage being spread, and not just hitting the side torso instead of the CT?

[Vlad Ward]

hammerreborn, on 02 March 2013 - 11:20 PM, said:

Side torsos also house ammo and the srm6s.


And if something is 200% more side torso...how is damage being spread, and not just hitting the side torso instead of the CT?

^ What he said. Bigger side torsos means less damage spread. There's no point aiming for a Raven CT when their STs are so huge.

Edited by Vlad Ward, 02 March 2013 - 11:24 PM.

[Volthorne]

hammerreborn, on 02 March 2013 - 11:20 PM, said:

Side torsos also house ammo and the srm6s.


And if something is 200% more side torso...how is damage being spread, and not just hitting the side torso instead of the CT?

Read the link I posted. The Jenner is basically 40% CT, 50% legs, 10% ST and arms.

Vlad Ward, on 02 March 2013 - 11:24 PM, said:

^ What he said. Bigger side torsos means less damage spread. There's no point aiming for a Raven CT when their STs are so huge.

You re also spreading damage across three sections instead of one.