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[Michael Costanza]

It's not that P2Wish if people can still get a cheap RVN-3L better. We're only talking about a 5 ton difference here, most likely a similar cap on the engine rating, etc. Besides, if there are missle hardpoints, that 5 tons might get you a few extra heat sinks but it's not like you'll be loading Streak SRM4s...

[christophermx4]

Jesus, people like whine here. It's going to be a Raven 3L with a little extra armor.

Not the Jesus mech with Clan LRMs.

[Yokaiko]

christophermx4, on 03 March 2013 - 02:40 PM, said:

Jesus, people like whine here. It's going to be a Raven 3L with a little extra armor.

Not the Jesus mech with Clan LRMs.

Timerberwolf C (I think it is) has 6 SSRM 6s....two C-ER-PPCs.

People whine about ssrm2s LOL

[verybad]

2 potential missile hardpoints on the X5 and no reason to say it's got ECM other than pure speculation don't make it OP.

2 hardpoints WITH ECM would make it an effective mech, but hardly P2W, as there are other mechs in the game that can match or exceed that (Commando/Raven)I don't care if its better than other Cicada's, because the Cicada is a grade B or C mech at best. Even the ECM carrying Cicada in the game is rarely seem, the ECM carrying Spider might even be more frequent.

So if it's a competitive, but not better mech, then that would be fine. The Ilya for instance is a good 70 ton mech, but it's hardly P2W.

My problem with the Hero mechs isn't there current effectiveness, but their irritating paintjobs. One is fine, seeing several with the same paintjob in the game is stupid.

(Also, If I see another fricking Atlas with the damned Phraken paintjob...)

Yokaiko, on 03 March 2013 - 02:41 PM, said:

Timerberwolf C (I think it is) has 6 SSRM 6s....two C-ER-PPCs.

People whine about ssrm2s LOL

I see a serious nerf to SSRMs once bigger sets than SSRM2s come out, I think what they might do is give them a longer load time and a longer time needed to get a lock. Otherwise it will be shear mayhem.

[Mystere]

verybad, on 03 March 2013 - 02:50 PM, said:

Otherwise it will be shear mayhem.

Mayhem will be good because that is what the Clans brought with them.

[Psikez]

Pay 2 Taco WHOOOP TACOS

[verybad]

Mystere, on 03 March 2013 - 02:53 PM, said:

Mayhem will be good because that is what the Clans brought with them.

The level of OP that a 6 SSRM-6 carrying, 100 KPH. 75 ton mech would induce is not mayhem. It would be utterly unbalanced. It wouldn't be fun,

[Alex Novian]

Lukoi, on 02 March 2013 - 03:58 PM, said:

Believe it or not, you're introducing a slippery slope with this point of view. The Wang can equip an AC20 but none of the other Cents can....that's really the same line you're riding here, yet no angst over the Wang?

The ******* things comes out in only a few days. Let's see what it actually has, let it get beat up in matches a few hundred times and see how it really pans out before we start crying P2W perhaps.

Its an AH Cent already, just has a fancy name and we've used one before they locked it and made folks shell out for it... so yeh, only angst i have is they LOCKED the AH away from us.

[OneEyed Jack]

Earthtalker, on 03 March 2013 - 08:58 AM, said:

Those are examples of mechs (with the exception of PB) that can do a little more (and slightly differently) of what they are already capable of. I agree that PB is somewhat ******** with the engine, however that is an anomaly, not the standard. If the hero Cicada has any missle points, it will be doing something no other cicada, either in game or in canon, has ever done. And that would be P2W.

EDIT
I'm not trying to shove what I think is or is not P2W down anyone's throat. This is only my opinion on what I believe it is. Please explain your outlook and reasoning on your opinion of what you think P2W is. I want to be able to understand it.

I'm not saying you can't have an opinion, but you are wrong. You can dislike that it has something the other Cicadas don't (assuming it does), but you're defining that opinion with a term that does not apply. Use some basic reading skills here and examine the term.

Pay to Win

It doesn't say "pay to have something the other variants of the same chassis doesn't." It says that you are actually paying for the ability to win, the intimation being that if one does not pay, one either can not win or it will be extremely difficult. Since FtP players are not limited to driving only the Cicada, then what is available on the Cicada chassis is not the defining factor of what does or does not win. As long as it does not have a clear advantage over each and every free mech, then it is, as StalaggtIKE said, P2E, e=exclusive.

verybad, on 03 March 2013 - 02:50 PM, said:

(Also, If I see another fricking Atlas with the damned Phraken paintjob...)

That paintjob, minus the red, is classic for the Atlas.

Edited by OneEyed Jack, 03 March 2013 - 04:30 PM.

[Aethon]

Enig, on 02 March 2013 - 04:03 PM, said:

It would be an exclusive weapon category to that variant. That isn't a different flavor, it's a different meal.

I guess what I am trying to say is that we would be paying for a feature, in this case. I do not think a pair of SSRM-2's will allow a Cicada pilot to win a fight he normally would not...especially if it does not have ECM. SRM-6's will come out in 3 waves if it has dual-tube launchers, thereby limiting the usefulness of those weapons to use against larger/slower targets.

In a Cicada X-5 vs. light fight (read: RVN-3L/COM-2D), the light will still have an advantage in the firepower delivered on-target area, since the Cicada will have no use of its Streaks under ECM (assuming they are not going to put ECM on this one). So, the RVN-3L is still the king of light fights, barring someone who is good with dual SRM-4's on a JR7-D.

So...I do not see any way that a pair of dual-tube launcher hardpoints will help the X-5 do anything the CDA-2A cannot already do.

Time will tell, of course, when they reveal the mech's stats to us.

Edited by Aethon, 03 March 2013 - 04:36 PM.

[Mechwarrior Buddah]

PANZERBUNNY, on 02 March 2013 - 03:57 PM, said:

We can argue about P2W hero mechs all day...

The fact is..we already have some.

A torso mounted AC 20 in that Hero Dragon is an advantage over an arm mounted weapon and we all know it.

Wake up.

They'll walk us slowly and gingerly towards the final goal. Just enjoy the ride.

I doubt we'll see drastically superior machines, but interesting ones, for sure.

If it has ECM and missiles...that's bonkers.

One or the other.

ya, 2.0 mc buyable only heat sinks wont be pay to win but I bet we'll see it

verybad, on 03 March 2013 - 02:57 PM, said:

The level of OP that a 6 SSRM-6 carrying, 100 KPH. 75 ton mech would induce is not mayhem. It would be utterly unbalanced. It wouldn't be fun,

well if the clans arent utterly unbalanced pgi will have failed to reproduce them correctly.

[5th Fedcom Rat]

xlrdallas, on 02 March 2013 - 04:39 PM, said:

You people make me laugh, most of you that are having a problem with this having ecm and or missiles , are #1 , raven drivers,

I have to wonder about this as well. We've had "P2W" Muromets for months now that can do ballistic combos that no other mech can (triple UAC5/AC5/Gauss), but there wasn't as much P2W debate when it was released as we're seeing with this cicada which doesn't even have firm details available for it yet.

Perhaps that certain segment of the community that only plays Raven 3Ls and is used to having their way with Cicadas is a wee bit scared that the battlefield is going to become a bit less comfortable for them soon, and they (gasp!) might have to invest in a different mech chasis for once in the past 4 months.

[Rogue Jedi]

I will buy this as the Cicedas anr my favorate Mechs, howether I will miss the LBx10 AC I have mounted in 2 of them, it is exceptionally usefull against heavier Mechs who underestimate the 40 ton Ciceda

[Ralgas]

There is a command chair post,

4energy, 2missle2module. Max speed 133.7 No ecm but no indicator if it can/cannot be fitted.
If theres no ecm i dont see the problem, streaks on their own a god mech does not make....

[Owlfeathers]

I can confirm missile slots. Don't know about ECM though.

http://mwomercs.com/...detail-display/

[OneEyed Jack]