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[Balsover]

sweet jesus, did no one actually read the OP?

For all those saying how much they hate Splatapults, he is saying with a missile only variant A1, he has no choice but to boat SRM's.

This has nothing to do with learn to play, its about the SRM only Catapult being the only practical loadout to use.

[Baltasar]

Balsover, on 03 March 2013 - 04:57 PM, said:

sweet jesus, did no one actually read the OP?

For all those saying how much they hate Splatapults, he is saying with a missile only variant A1, he has no choice but to boat SRM's.

This has nothing to do with learn to play, its about the SRM only Catapult being the only practical loadout to use.

Actually, you don't have to just boat SRMs. He would have been fine, were he to, instead of his back up close weapon being streaks, he loaded srms instead. Then he would have had had long range, lock on, support with LRMs, and dumb fire missiles for the close range ecm lights. Instead, he chose to boat nothing but lock on missiles and payed the price.

[Ghogiel]

Baltasar, on 03 March 2013 - 05:02 PM, said:

Actually, you don't have to just boat SRMs. He would have been fine, were he to, instead of his back up close weapon being streaks, he loaded srms instead. Then he would have had had long range, lock on, support with LRMs, and dumb fire missiles for the close range ecm lights. Instead, he chose to boat nothing but lock on missiles and payed the price.

His build is fine.

It just requires better teamwork to avoid situations like he describes.

[Fate 6]

Stone Profit, on 03 March 2013 - 04:54 PM, said:

I like how you insult rather than argue. Shows you KNOW you have no valid arguments. And you know what they say. Insults are the first resort of the small minded.


well now you know that if you need to use lock on only weapons it shows you cant aim. And you know what GIJoe says :Knowing is half the battle.

I simply chose not to state what's been stated over and over. I'm not going to waste my time on someone who can't reason it out for themselves, and who can't use the search function to find (and then read) the many posts related to this.

I'll give you a hint: try rereading the original post.

Balsover, on 03 March 2013 - 04:57 PM, said:

sweet jesus, did no one actually read the OP?

For all those saying how much they hate Splatapults, he is saying with a missile only variant A1, he has no choice but to boat SRM's.

This has nothing to do with learn to play, its about the SRM only Catapult being the only practical loadout to use.

DING DING DING, SOMEONE CAN READ AND USE THEIR BRAIN

[Stone Profit]

Fate 6, on 03 March 2013 - 05:26 PM, said:

I simply chose not to state what's been stated over and over. I'm not going to waste my time on someone who can't reason it out for themselves, and who can't use the search function to find (and then read) the many posts related to this.

I'll give you a hint: try rereading the original post.


DING DING DING, SOMEONE CAN READ AND USE THEIR BRAIN

Sure buddy. Whatever helps you sleep.

[Nicholas Carlyle]

OP makes a great point, and anyone saying otherwise isn't reading.

If we want a mech with missile hard-points not to load up on all SRM's, then he has two other options, LRM's and Streaks.

Guess what? If a mech with ECM decides to get close to him, he does nothing, and the mech doesn't even need to bother killing him.

That is an issue with this game. There is no reason a mech with both Streaks and LRM's should not be able to fight.

[Nicholas Carlyle]

Just to further elaborate. Someone buys the Catapult, outfits it with 2 LRM 15's and 4 Streak SRM 2's. Is there any real reason they shouldn't be allowed to do that? It's not really cheesey, might be a bit strong against lights, but 4 Streaks is not insane alpha.

But instead ONE item, a single piece of equipment that weighs 1.5 tons, completely invalidates this mech just by being near it.

That is the definition of silly.

And for those of you who say "Take SRM's instead of Streaks", why should he have too?

[Stone Profit]

Nicholas Carlyle, on 03 March 2013 - 05:45 PM, said:

Just to further elaborate. Someone buys the Catapult, outfits it with 2 LRM 15's and 4 Streak SRM 2's. Is there any real reason they shouldn't be allowed to do that? It's not really cheesey, might be a bit strong against lights, but 4 Streaks is not insane alpha.

But instead ONE item, a single piece of equipment that weighs 1.5 tons, completely invalidates this mech just by being near it.

That is the definition of silly.

And for those of you who say "Take SRM's instead of Streaks", why should he have too?

He doesnt have to. But the other side of the coin is he has a very definite weakness easily exploited by a 1.5 ton piece of equipment. Why blame the guy with ecm? Blame the guy who chose to run a build that is COMPLETELY defensesless against anything inside an ecm bubble. to me that is very very fail.

Edited by Stone Profit, 03 March 2013 - 05:51 PM.

[Nicholas Carlyle]

Stone Profit, on 03 March 2013 - 05:51 PM, said:

He doesnt have to. But the other side of the coin is he has a very definite weakness easily exploited by a 1.5 ton piece of equipment. Why blame the guy with ecm? Blame the guy who chose to run a build that is COMPLETELY defensesless against anything inside an ecm bubble. to me that is very very fail.

I'm saying that he has 3 item choices. LRM's, SRM's and Streaks. Because he decided to take LRM's and Streaks we're saying it's ok that a 1.5 ton item should invalidate the mech entirely?

That is silly.

Now if you wanted to argue that the hardpoint design on that mech is stupid, I could agree with that.

But there is no reason that a 1.5 ton item should lock that mech out entirely just by STANDING near him.

[LordBraxton]

Yokaiko, on 03 March 2013 - 03:58 PM, said:

If he has nothing but lock ons and that Cicada is 60kph faster, wtf is he supposed to do.

I would have picked him apart, but yeah.

stay with team

[Ghogiel]

Nicholas Carlyle, on 03 March 2013 - 05:53 PM, said:

I'm saying that he has 3 item choices. LRM's, SRM's and Streaks. Because he decided to take LRM's and Streaks we're saying it's ok that a 1.5 ton item should invalidate the mech entirely?

It's like people forget the time before ECM and have forgotten that SSRM and LRMs were all what ever people QQ'd about. (no one gave a **** about SRMs then)

[Nicholas Carlyle]

Ghogiel, on 03 March 2013 - 05:58 PM, said:

It's like people forget the time before ECM and have forgotten that SSRM and LRMs were all what ever people QQ'd about. (no one gave a **** about SRMs then)

Yeah except I'm not one of those people saying LRM's and Streaks are fine. I think if ECM were to be adjusted, LRM's and Streaks need to be as well.

But right now it's all f'd up. Because not every match has ECM, some matches have 4 ECM's, some matches have 8 ECM.

If you were to drop in a match again 2 Streak Cats and no ECM was in there, it would be a major issue.

These things are all intertwined and all need to be fixed.

[Stone Profit]

Nicholas Carlyle, on 03 March 2013 - 05:53 PM, said:

I'm saying that he has 3 item choices. LRM's, SRM's and Streaks. Because he decided to take LRM's and Streaks we're saying it's ok that a 1.5 ton item should invalidate the mech entirely?

That is silly.

Now if you wanted to argue that the hardpoint design on that mech is stupid, I could agree with that.

But there is no reason that a 1.5 ton item should lock that mech out entirely just by STANDING near him.

Yes, I AM saying thats okay. He knew it would be that way. His fail. The player should dapt to the game not the other way around. I dont want to play a game with watered down ecm just because other people cant handle ecm. ECM works comparably to the way it does in TT, so dont give me that excuse.
Game Rules

• In Tournament-level gameplay, the use of an ECM suite is to nullify the effects of other electronics, such as missile beacons, active probes, and fire control systems. It can also cut a unit off from a C3 Network.
  
• In Tactical Operations, additional uses for an ECM suite are shown as optional rules, including defeating other ECM and generating ghost targets.
  
• It also creates a bubble in TT just like in MWO. So tell me, what is the problem? it only weighs 1.5 tons? You can only have it on certain variants so its balanced there. Go to war, get your *** kicked by an abrams a1 when youre in a t-72 and see if anyone cares that you were smashed to pieces. War is not fair. He had the chance to bring weapons that were not affected by ecm. He chose not to. I dont understand why people cry about it. If we are in a gun fight and you chose to bring a knife, is that your fault or mine? Answer: YOURS.

[Ghogiel]

Nicholas Carlyle, on 03 March 2013 - 06:00 PM, said:

If you were to drop in a match again 2 Streak Cats and no ECM was in there, it would be a major issue.

Not really.

[Vapor Trail]

While they're at it they could add an ECM hardpoint, that way everyone knows where to shoot those mechs to disable the ECM.

Put it in the right torso of the D-DC.

The left arm of the Raven.

One of the arms of the 3M.

I would say the CT of the Spider and Commando... but I think that's going a bit far, Right torso's fine.

Edited by Vapor Trail, 03 March 2013 - 06:18 PM.

[Mystere]

ElLocoMarko, on 03 March 2013 - 12:40 PM, said:

PGI can nerf it if they want me to stop running boated SRM ...

When did PGI say such a thing? If you want to use a Splatcat, that is your decision. Don't pay attention to the players ranting against it.

But if you did listen to them, and now find yourself ineffective, then it is your own fault.

No one has the right to tell you how to play as long as you are within the game's allowable parameters.

Edited by Mystere, 03 March 2013 - 06:28 PM.

[Nicholas Carlyle]

Ghogiel, on 03 March 2013 - 06:10 PM, said:

Not really.

Really? Guess all that major complaining about it was for nothing. Oh wait you are in the top 25 of a mech class so because you are a super amazing pilot your view points on balance are more important than the majority of people playing?

And for the people saying it was his choice to get locked down by ECM, would you feel the same way if they introduced a 1.5 ton item that locked down lasers?

And a 1.5 ton item that locked down A/C's?

A mech variant should NEVER be unable to use it's weapons.

It's just ******* silly.

I've never seen a sim or fps or anything where someone just can't do anything because someone with a 1.5 ton (or whatever it is in that game) item stands near him.

Edited by Nicholas Carlyle, 03 March 2013 - 06:26 PM.

[Ghogiel]

Nicholas Carlyle, on 03 March 2013 - 06:26 PM, said:

Really?

ya rly. If they knew what's good for them the streakcats would probably spend the whole match avoiding me.

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Guess all that major complaining about it was for nothing. Oh wait you are in the top 25 of a mech class so because you are a super amazing pilot your view points on balance are more important than the majority of people playing?

I can't even remember the last time I actually gave my opinion on balance on this forum.

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And for the people saying it was his choice to get locked down by ECM, would you feel the same way if they introduced a 1.5 ton item that locked down lasers?

And a 1.5 ton item that locked down A/C's?

can my ACs and laser lock on and home as well?

Edited by Ghogiel, 03 March 2013 - 06:37 PM.

[JadePanther]

ElLocoMarko, on 03 March 2013 - 01:13 PM, said:

No I tried NOT to run a cheese build but of three kinds of missile weapon present, not have an energy hard point... I can only reliably fire one of them.

It's the streak-ECM interaction. Streaks were brought into the world so that light mechs would keep their distance.
And you also miss that the Cicada DID NOT SHOOT ME. That's not tactics. That's griefing.

It's a rage post... I'd delete it now if I could.

Well umm correct me if I'm wrong but that build was awfully darn close to the dreaded streakapult that ecm nerfed.. Still a bit cheezy..
but face it was a big fail build.. ECM made it useless..

So he saw this and he taught u a lil lesson.. And u have to be impressed with his restraint in not shooting u.. The Troll is strong in that one it is. I do have to have a lil chuckle about it. I mean just to think u were prolly trying to beat the cockpit glass down so u could throw your shoe at him to do damage.

Next time dont forget the JJ's and give him the old Death from Above.. and yes u can DFA I've done it, It's been witnessed.

[frpeebles]

Lets just nerf everything. Ditch weapons entirely. We can just cap points.