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[Mycrus]

What is a cheesy mech?

What is gimped mech?

For me,
A1s are not cheesy and 5Ns are not gimped...

[Marduk Moreau]

I have only played the Trial Mechs(gimped) and I am grinding the Ravens(3L cheese).

The trial Mechs run to hot from either to high a rate of fire or to slow of a heat dissipation time. Heat dissipation should match the weapons average "cooldown' times.

[Harmin]

I agree, Trial mechs are just awful. I wanted to introduce my partner to MWO so I ended up creating and grinding trial rubbish through the 25 cadet bonus matches for her so I (she) could afford a build a proper mech with Endo and DHS.

Yesterday she joined me in a group with her shiny new C4 in PC Gamer colours and actually had a good time. In a trial you're just bug smear on a mech's wind screen.

Edited by Harmin, 04 March 2013 - 06:01 AM.

[Stormwolf]

Trial mechs are not optimized, but they run way hotter then they should.

I really don't get why the devs base heatsink cooling on a TT 10 second rule for a turn but change everything else.

[whitelie]

To me, a cheese mech is when you have too many good things without having to sacrifice as much. Such as the A1 SRMboat, terribly powerful up close, WITH speed, WITH armor, WITH jumpjets. Not saying it's OP, because you CAN pick it off at range.... if you notice it.. but range is really the only sacrifice they have to make. I see that as cheese. People saying the D-DC is cheese, I disagree. It's just an atlas that you can't always hit with LRM's or Streaks.

[Mycrus]

3Ls and 2Ds are annoying but not cheese...

DDCs are not cheese...

Seriously, i can't find a cheesy mech... You have 1 trick ponies, but never cheese...

Btw, i prefer balanced optmized builds like my xl210 4 med laser TDK...

Discounting trials... I don't find any mech gimped as well...

[Abivard]

Gimp builds... I just shudder and tell myself to play better when I see them on my team. MG's and Flamers, not as gimped as before the patch perhaps, but cmon, why not just dc to ruin everyones fun? Mechs that alpha and shut down, on frozen city even!

Most people don't whine when they get cheese on their pizza or hamburger, if they do they can just not get cheese on their slice. But the cry is" we don't want anyone to play something we don't like"

So what is cheese? It is a mech build that your favorite mech is weak against.

[dario03]

Cheese = Spider 5V - Have you seen how awesome jump jets are in this game, and it can have 2 medium lasers, 2! And you can't miss since both lasers are in the CT. Combine that with his awesome armor and its just way to awesome.

Gimped = Raven 3L - what can this mech even do? Everybody knows ECM is a huge waste, streaks take like forever to lock, and Ravens blow up so easily while they putt along at like what 100kph.

[Mycrus]

Havent played stalkers, spiders, cicadas yet... Can't comment..

Rest i have every variant (almost, 1 more awesome to go)... I have found subtle nuances that make them balanced... Example - cataphract can't bring its weapons to bear when fighting at a disadvantaged elevation... Etc. Etc.

You will have to pilot each mech to get a feel for its nuances...

[Josef Nader]

Cheese = Cats in general. There's nothing other heavy chassis can do that cats can't do better. There's a reason they've been a constant topic on these forums since CB.

Gimped = Awesomes in general. I almost never see an Awesome do well for their weight class, the poor dears. Their massive hitboxes and questionable hardpoints combined with the fact they're paired against the much scarier Stalkers or Atlai mean that they never seem to contribute meaningfully.

whitelie, on 04 March 2013 - 06:02 AM, said:

To me, a cheese mech is when you have too many good things without having to sacrifice as much. Such as the A1 SRMboat, terribly powerful up close, WITH speed, WITH armor, WITH jumpjets. Not saying it's OP, because you CAN pick it off at range.... if you notice it.. but range is really the only sacrifice they have to make. I see that as cheese. People saying the D-DC is cheese, I disagree. It's just an atlas that you can't always hit with LRM's or Streaks.

Thanks for saving me the trouble of defining cheese. This is exactly what I've been trying to convey. Cats are cheese because they sacrifice very little to be good at what they do. Awesomes are gimped because they sacrifice a lot to do the things they do.

Edited by Josef Nader, 04 March 2013 - 06:34 AM.

[NitroBurst]

whitelie, on 04 March 2013 - 06:02 AM, said:

To me, a cheese mech is when you have too many good things without having to sacrifice as much. Such as the A1 SRMboat, terribly powerful up close, WITH speed, WITH armor, WITH jumpjets. Not saying it's OP, because you CAN pick it off at range.... if you notice it.. but range is really the only sacrifice they have to make. I see that as cheese. People saying the D-DC is cheese, I disagree. It's just an atlas that you can't always hit with LRM's or Streaks.

Exactly thank you!! Bartender! Two beers over here will ya?!

[LordDante]

[Sayyid]

I dont think any mech is gimped, most people are using the mechs wrong.

I run a stock CN9-A a quite a bit of time, and I use it as it was designed. I dont play in premades I have been playing as PUG lately. And my best to date with that stock CN9-A is 3 kills 5 assists, 670damage done in a win. Doesnt sound like much but thats a big deal when facing uber modified damned near clan lick'em stick'em mechs.

[OpCentar]

Cheese = something that requires very little pilot skill in order to produce best results while requiring a very skilled opponent to defeat effectively.

IE - 3L is cheese as you cannot out run it, you could out gun it if didn't had wonky hitboxes and lag shield. Oh and ECM. So while the 3L pilot pushes the "do damage SSRM" key you are cursing the Clans because none of your weapons registered hits on his torso.


Gimped = should be every Hero mech in some way or the other, or the game starts slipping into P2W.

[Acid Phase]

You says mechs....yet that isn't so much of a problem as matchmaking. Cheese= a team of 4 to 6 ONE mech same builds (ECMs,SRMs, LRMs) against Gimped= a team of multi-mech pugs where maybe one of them has ECM, another has SRM, and maybe one more carries LRMs. Hence the massive rolls.

However, I doubt any of this would be a problem if we are given Mission based gametypes to give each pilot important roles to carrry out objectives.

Edited by Acid Phase, 04 March 2013 - 06:50 AM.