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[Ari Dian]

Consumables:

First step to P2W. Bad idea. Nothing more to add.

[vrok]

Gallowglas, on 04 March 2013 - 01:37 PM, said:

I'm not confused about it at all. I'm suggesting that some people are stating as fact that it will be P2W. I'm stating that you don't know that and there's nothing in the notes which would indicate it. If using the consumable costs you a significant, though maintainable single-use cbill cost every match, it's not P2W. Yes, you might have to make a decision about whether you're paying to maintain your consumable versus buying a new mech, but that's irrelevant to the debate.

TL:DR - See how things are implemented before you jump to conclusions, regardless of whether you're a glass half-full or glass half-empty sort of person.

The point is that P2W isn't as clear cut as some people make it out to be. "If it's available for in-game currency it's not P2W!!½!" is false. It's a grey area. They could force you to grind a day extra or 10 years extra for the in-game currency required to match the dollar value of any given item. The only clear cut distinction that can be made at all, if any, is that anything that circumvents the in-game reward systems and has an impact on gameplay is P2W, i.e. anything that shortens the grind. If you're not willing to accept that, then at least accept that it's a grey area.

Second, they're reacting with warning about P2W because PGI didn't give any details. It could be P2W, or it could not. People don't want P2W so they make sure to cry out for more detailed information with a worst case scenario statement. Complaining about it is basically complaining about people complaining, and is equally pointless, if not more so. At least they're giving some sort of feedback.

Edited by vrok, 04 March 2013 - 02:07 PM.

[Faydeaway]

Genewen, on 04 March 2013 - 01:43 PM, said:

How about you actually read the OP? Would prolly do the discussion some good.




So, because they are used in other games it is a good idea to use them in MWO and everyone opposed to them should just shut up?

Personally, I reject the whole idea of modules. Whoever wants to buff his or her mech in some regard should pay a price for it. And I don't mean GXP, CBs or MCs, I mean stuff like heat, risk, weight and slots.

Yes, because my post told you to shut up if you don't like consumable. Would you kindly point that section out for me?

This is a free to play game. Most free to play games take advantage of consumables that players can purchase with credits OR cash. That's my statement. People getting angry about a mechanic that hasn't been introduced yet might want to wait before they start the whole gnashing of teeth and pulling of hair bit but I certainly didn't tell them to shut-up.

[SixstringSamurai]

All I think when I see the "consumables" is welcome to MWO's version of gold rounds.

[Kargarok]

As long as all consumables are available for Cbills AND MC it should be fine.

[SixstringSamurai]

That and testing grounds is a SOLO mode....no freaking Bueno....would be so much better if you could do it with friends.

[Slater01]

MWOs newest Consumables - The chessburger module, Toliet Paper, and best of all, a 6pack of Beer!

Yummy, Convenient, and Intoxicating!

Edited by Slater01, 04 March 2013 - 02:01 PM.

[Faydeaway]

SixStringSamurai, on 04 March 2013 - 01:53 PM, said:

All I think when I see the "consumables" is welcome to MWO's version of gold rounds.

You rarely ever saw anyone using gold rounds outside of clan war matches. Using gold rounds outside of clan war matches usually resulted in players mocking the gold round user in chat.

[jay35]

People that insist on comparing this game to "other f2p games" to argue for making it more like other p2wf2p games "because those games do it", while ignoring the legacy of its MechWarrior game precedessors, the legitimate expectations of the already-established MW fanbase, and the Battletech lineage of this IP, should be disregarded.

[Lazydrones541]

Sounds good.

[Genewen]

Faydeaway, on 04 March 2013 - 01:52 PM, said:

Yes, because my post told you to shut up if you don't like consumable. Would you kindly point that section out for me?.

You know, that "?" marks a question. So keep it cool.

I hereby demand that we don't use mechs and 31st century weaponry anymore, but ride all sorts off stupid looking creatures and mechanisms and slay each other with swords, bows and magic. Because that's the genre standard.
Really, I don't mean to offend you or anyone else, but "the others do it too" has always been a stupid reasoning for anything. One should've learned in one's childhood that it does not work like that.

[TheCas]

all i can say is there should be quick sand in the new map to trap mechs that are stupid enough to go in

[Ari Dian]

OK, found something.
http://mwomercs.com/...evs-18-answers/

Quote

Q: Have you guys considered adding Coolant Pods to increase heat dissipation of a mech's heatsinks when used? [vayne]
A: Yes, we considered and then dropped the idea. We found it more of a crutch and lead to more issues than it helped with. If you're in a long, multi-targetted single player game, it makes sense. In a player vs. player environment you get a MASSIVE increase in firepower for no cost, or it wouldn't be enough to make a difference (IE. the match would never last long enough for you running out of coolant to matter, because you've already killed two people. Or, it doesn't even last a single fight, then why even have it?) Does that make sense? [Garth]

Really great when you turn around 180° and do something total different as you said. And this was not even 6 month ago.

[vrok]

Ari Dian, on 04 March 2013 - 02:04 PM, said:

OK, found something.
http://mwomercs.com/...evs-18-answers/



Really great when you turn around 180° and do something total different as you said. And this was not even 6 month ago.

Dollars are more important than good game design.

[Ari Dian]

Drake Syn, on 04 March 2013 - 12:48 PM, said:

Wow, okay, first of all, hi all, first post. Second, it's really shocking to me the number of people who are active on these forums but haven't played/heard of World of Tanks. Consumables don't unbalance the game if they impliment them as WoT has, which is "pay for it, use it once, it's gone. Pay again, have it once. Limited to one item used per mach per category." I really don't think we'll be looking at builds that ignore overheat because they are willing to "pay to win". I think it's being designed as an emergency failsafe sort of thing. The problem ~I~ see with it, is the reason world of tanks actually manages to use consumables properly and not frustrate their fanbase is because of the robust clan war system, and the competitive edge these tools and consumables give them in it.
Without these reasons to back up releasing consumables, it makes it look like a desperate money grab/C-Bill sink, but hey, maybe we should trust the guys at PGI and this is only getting mentioned because they don't want to talk about how close Community Warfare is.

Just my two cents from a different and unvoiced direction.

This "gold" ammo is the reason i dont play WoT. And was not hoping to see it ever in MWO.

[Multitallented]

And this is why I'm buying the Cicada X-5, not because I actually think it's a good mech. Take my money PGI and Happy Patch Day!

[Ari Dian]

vrok, on 04 March 2013 - 02:06 PM, said:

Dollars are more important than good game design.

Yes, but this way EVERYTHING PGI ever said can be changed within one patch.
You cant trust their word anymore this way. And this would make them not trustworth anymore.

[Grendel408]

What happened to the daily ISN new feeds? I'm getting bored... seriously bored with the site. The forums are full of trolls or trolls-in-training (t.i.t's) and that's only entertaining for so long... what happened Devs?

[vrok]

Ari Dian, on 04 March 2013 - 02:16 PM, said:

Yes, but this way EVERYTHING PGI ever said can be changed within one patch.
You cant trust their word anymore this way. And this would make them not trustworth anymore.

I'm totally on your side, haha. I was just being sarcastic. They better have a good excuse.

[Arisaema]

Gandalfrockman, on 04 March 2013 - 11:59 AM, said:

SAY SOMETHING ABOUT ECM!
seriously... anything....

nerf..nerf..nerf..nerf..nerf..nerf..nerf..nerf..nerf..nerf..nerf..nerf..nerf..nerf..nerf..nerf

Well other than not seeing this fixed, I like what's happening

Arisaema

Edited by Arisaema, 04 March 2013 - 02:23 PM.