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[MisterPlanetarian]

Headlessnewt, on 04 March 2013 - 11:42 PM, said:

Speaking as a former FTP MMO company employee who got to watch a game run into the ground from the inside, you cannot save a company from themselves.

I want MWO to be good too. I've paid them some money. I'm having fun.

If you want them to fix things, don't ***** on the forum.

Quit.

Don't just stop paying them money, quit.

Don't stop playing and stay on the forums, just vanish. If enough people do it, you will see change. But PGI does not care about you personally or anything you have to say, even if you are a founder who's spent ten thousand dollars on this game.

Times like these makes me glad i still maintain two 9 year old EVE Online accounts. I can get the a similar experience without all the f2p publisher nonsense.

Im patient though, there are cases where developers change their mind so i'll wait and see.

[MegaBusta]

Airwind, on 04 March 2013 - 11:16 PM, said:

so america goes to war with china. then american soldiers decided to use their pocket money to buy some scopes for their rifles. China soldiers were enraged and started to flood the NATO forums and cries P2W P2W...

Are you for real?

[Malora Sidewinder]

MWO's pay to win isn't pay to win. it's pay to save yourself some serious time and get a niche mech that's a bit different than other mechs, but not necessarily better.

pretty baby has a HUGE speed for an assault, but awkward hardpoint placement and the fact that it's armor is paper mache compensate for that.

flame/fang are a tiny bit better than the standard dragons, but dragons aren't good.

death knell is cute. but it's not as good as the commando that can run streaks.

yen lo wang is terrible, but lets' not get into it due to all the fanboys around.

currently if a heromech goes up against any other nonhero variant of the same mech, pilot skill is tremendously more important on the outcome than the mech itself.

a good pilot in a bad commando will usually beat an average pilot in a commando.

[Yokaiko]

AlexEss, on 04 March 2013 - 11:27 PM, said:

Frist off. If i could have a buck for every "slippery slope" argument i have heard over the years i'd be a rich man by now.

Secondly once again you could argue that the MC version is at best equal and in some way worse. Sure you get a 35% heat dump but it is a one time deal. The CBills version let you spread the cooling over a larger time frame. As for the other two we do not know how they will work or how accurate they are (but i get a sense that the River city and forest maps will play a bit different after this.)

Now again the most common notation of P2W is a advantage that can only be achieved by paying real money (such as the top tier cars in NFS:World previously only being sold for real world cash, or selling ammo that does more damage) So i can agree that this skirts the line. But it is still on the right side of the line in my mind. Depending on how strong the T2 vs T3 arty and airstrike is we might skirt over on the wrong side of things. But seeing how they have managed to balance stuff so far, i am not to worried (and if they fix the claimed faulty hitbox on the 3L and get State rewimn to work as promised the other so called balance issue will be solved too)

All in all i am not to worried. Poptarts might get another alpha out if it but in the long run it will not matter all that much i think.

Ok so considering that a number mech only HAVE two module slots ...mastered.

How is an MC only airstrike and artillery hit for one slot a pop not a clear and defined advantage?

Only three mechs get 4 module slots -3L -D-DC and YLW

[Noobzorz]

shad0w4life, on 04 March 2013 - 11:41 PM, said:

SERIOUSLY?!

The MC Purchased Large Coolant Flush allows a player to trigger a coolant flush once during a match.


The C-Bill Purchased Coolant Flush will allow a player to trigger a coolant flush twice during a match.




GIVE ME THE CBILL TWICE USE FLUSH PLEASE

Or guess what you can buy the Medium and use it twice....%20x2 vs 35%x1. I'd take the %20...oh and guess what ONLY USES 1 SLOT.


it's not P2W the non pay version is BETTER IMO

shad0w4life, on 04 March 2013 - 11:41 PM, said:

SERIOUSLY?!

The MC Purchased Large Coolant Flush allows a player to trigger a coolant flush once during a match.


The C-Bill Purchased Coolant Flush will allow a player to trigger a coolant flush twice during a match.




GIVE ME THE CBILL TWICE USE FLUSH PLEASE

Or guess what you can buy the Medium and use it twice....%20x2 vs 35%x1. I'd take the %20...oh and guess what ONLY USES 1 SLOT.


it's not P2W the non pay version is BETTER IMO

This is so totally stupid that I have no words.

You cannot take two mediums. You can only take a tier 1 and a tier 2. This means you are using two slots for the same benefit as a tier 3. The idea that being able to "split them up" is totally stupid too, given that an alpha will use far more than 15% of your heat.

I am sorry to be rude, but as you are, yourself being rude, and are totally and utterly wrong while you're doing it, I feel as if you deserve it.

[BARBAR0SSA]

Mackman, on 04 March 2013 - 11:44 PM, said:

.... You can't stack the same module. You can't buy two Tier 2's. Do you understand that? Also, do you realize that to get any sort of benefit from having two flushes, you'd have to use them in two completely separate bouts of fighting, with heat returning to 0 in between? Because otherwise, you'd have achieved the eaxct same effect (although probably slightly less, due to the %-based system) than the MC version.

And again, you are failing to take into account the other modules that the paying player will be able to have while the non-paying player will not.

READ the notes, I never said STACK two Mediums.
You can buy the medium coolant which is %20 and usable TWICE.
If you want to buy the small as well then they will stack and you get %35 TWICE.

But the point is You can buy the medium and hit it twice and get the same effect as the 35%. The fact that people are going completely nuts over having to hit the button twice is beyond insane.

OK lets do some math here.

100% heat, %20 reduction = 80

%80 heat, %20 reduction= 80-16 = 64

Coolant is used up

MC version would put you to 65%.....

[CateranEnforcer]

I....can't believe that they would do something like this. I feel betrayed here. This is a clear advantage purchasable only with real money.

Please don't do this PGI.

[Noobzorz]

Malora Sidewinder, on 04 March 2013 - 11:46 PM, said:

MWO's pay to win isn't pay to win. it's pay to save yourself some serious time and get a niche mech that's a bit different than other mechs, but not necessarily better.

pretty baby has a HUGE speed for an assault, but awkward hardpoint placement and the fact that it's armor is paper mache compensate for that.

flame/fang are a tiny bit better than the standard dragons, but dragons aren't good.

death knell is cute. but it's not as good as the commando that can run streaks.

yen lo wang is terrible, but lets' not get into it due to all the fanboys around.

currently if a heromech goes up against any other nonhero variant of the same mech, pilot skill is tremendously more important on the outcome than the mech itself.

a good pilot in a bad commando will usually beat an average pilot in a commando.

Sure, sure. The hero mechs are cool. We like that. I mean, they're pretty egregiously overpriced (been dragging this out forever, but the new Tombraider on steam is cheaper than buying YLW and Pretty Baby), but they amount, basically, to buying hero skins in LoL or items in DotA. The day will come when they **** it up, but they can balance that, and we will move on and forget it happened.

What we're talking about is P2W consumables. This goes only one place, and it always goes that place. We have a proven track record of hundreds of F2P games to show it. If this change is implemented, we're going to world of mechs, and right quick.

[Evinthal]

Prosperity Park, on 04 March 2013 - 10:13 PM, said:

PGI was originally going to put ECM on the Jenner JR7-D model.

But when the Community called out about how the Founder's Packages included the Jenner JR7-D, PGI put a kibosh on that and removed the Jenner-D from the list of ECM Mechs...

*my fingers are crossed right now*

Which was complete and utter bullspit. OMG THE FOUNDERS JENNER CAN HAVE ECM OH NOES....

Not like you couldn't get a normal Jenner D and not get ecm. Oh wait, the CBill bonus. Whoop-de-malfing-do.

The rest of you tin foil hat wearing lunatics screaming the Chicken Little anthem of "the sky is falling!" every time they introduce something else is annoying and stupid. Jesus Christ, at least see how it plays out.

This **** is hilarious to watch though. I need me some popcorn!

Edited by Evinthal, 04 March 2013 - 11:54 PM.

[Headlessnewt]

Final opinion on this:

If some bro wants to pay 3 bucks to beat me in an online game that I paid 0 bucks for, he's welcome to it if it makes his balls feel big. I'll have 3 bucks he doesn't.

[sC4r]

i said it yesterday and i will repeat it now
WHY DO YOU CRY ABOUT SOMETHING BEFORE YOU EVER SEEN IT IN ACTION???

though i dont like it much either you still have the oportunity to match the payed stuff with not payed stuff though in doing so you will need 2 slots instead of 1 for the same efficiency

and i like something like this get implemented... gives another few bucks for devs and finally make some worthy stuff into module slots and make masterslot worth getting

hell i remember a game that has p2w ammo and p2w consumables yet it was and still is very competitive and there wasnt any way to obtain payed stuff efficiency with not payed... i believe you heard of WoT

so again... i will wait till friday to see it in action (unlike you fellas that get to play the game today evening)

[Insidious Johnson]

armyof1, on 04 March 2013 - 11:44 PM, said:

The problem is that the devs are extremely unmotivated to take back things they've added into the game, whether the things are really broken or not.

ORLY? Where is the CNT-AH? Was not broken. FUPGI.

[Red Klown X]

sC4r, on 04 March 2013 - 11:52 PM, said:

i said it yesterday and i will repeat it now
WHY DO YOU CRY ABOUT SOMETHING BEFORE YOU EVER SEEN IT IN ACTION???

though i dont like it much either you still have the oportunity to match the payed stuff with not payed stuff though in doing so you will need 2 slots instead of 1 for the same efficiency

and i like something like this get implemented... gives another few bucks for devs and finally make some worthy stuff into module slots and make masterslot worth getting

hell i remember a game that has p2w ammo and p2w consumables yet it was and still is very competitive and there wasnt any way to obtain payed stuff efficiency with not payed... i believe you heard of WoT

so again... i will wait till friday to see it in action (unlike you fellas that get to play the game today evening)

BECAUSE IT S A PURE TROLL ?

[Noobzorz]

shad0w4life, on 04 March 2013 - 11:49 PM, said:

READ the notes, I never said STACK two Mediums.
You can buy the medium coolant which is %20 and usable TWICE.
If you want to buy the small as well then they will stack and you get %35 TWICE.

But the point is You can buy the medium and hit it twice and get the same effect as the 35%. The fact that people are going completely nuts over having to hit the button twice is beyond insane.

OK lets do some math here.

100% heat, %20 reduction = 80

%80 heat, %20 reduction= 80-16 = 64

Coolant is used up

MC version would put you to 65%.....

No. You can't be. . .are you seriously this dense?

It will allow you to flush twice because there are two of them you ******* scientist.


If people like you are the only guys supporting this, then I can't think of any other more conclusive proof that it is not a good idea.

Just read the summary here http://mwomercs.com/...10-consumables/

It reads

The C-Bill and MC purchased coolant flushes with both max out at 35%.

The C-Bill version of coolant flushes will allow 2 uses during a match. (One cools 15%, the other cools 20%).The C-Bill version of coolant flushes will required 2 module slots to cool 35%, whereas the MC version will only require 1 module slot.

Edited by Noobzorz, 04 March 2013 - 11:57 PM.

[Yokaiko]

MisterPlanetarian, on 04 March 2013 - 11:44 PM, said:

Times like these makes me glad i still maintain two 9 year old EVE Online accounts. I can get the a similar experience without all the f2p publisher nonsense.

Im patient though, there are cases where developers change their mind so i'll wait and see.

Indeed, my main accounts are still running on plex stockpiles, and I think I have about 10 bill in currency and god knows what in assets scattered about.

I can refunnel my fudiciary support back to CCP with no risk of this P2W bull. We fixed them on that idea a couple years back.

[armyof1]

Insidious Johnson, on 04 March 2013 - 11:53 PM, said:

ORLY? Where is the CNT-AH? Was not broken. FUPGI.

R3L

[TANTE EMMA]

Zaptruder, on 04 March 2013 - 10:57 PM, said:

At this rate, they may as well turn clan mechs into pay 2 rent machines.

DONT YOU DARE GIVING THEM IDEAS LIKE THAT !!!

[Tarman]

shad0w4life, on 04 March 2013 - 11:49 PM, said:

READ the notes, I never said STACK two Mediums.
You can buy the medium coolant which is %20 and usable TWICE.
If you want to buy the small as well then they will stack and you get %35 TWICE.

But the point is You can buy the medium and hit it twice and get the same effect as the 35%. The fact that people are going completely nuts over having to hit the button twice is beyond insane.

OK lets do some math here.

100% heat, %20 reduction = 80

%80 heat, %20 reduction= 80-16 = 64

Coolant is used up

MC version would put you to 65%.....

You're wrong here. You can stack T1+T2 effects. TOGETHER they make two shots that equal the total power of a single T3, at different rates for whichever fires off which time. It's not two shots for each of the C-bill modules. You don't get two blasts from a single T1 or T2. To equal the effectiveness of a T3 module, you sacrifice a module slot to pack the extra lower tier module.

[Noobzorz]

sC4r, on 04 March 2013 - 11:52 PM, said:

i said it yesterday and i will repeat it now
WHY DO YOU CRY ABOUT SOMETHING BEFORE YOU EVER SEEN IT IN ACTION???

though i dont like it much either you still have the oportunity to match the payed stuff with not payed stuff though in doing so you will need 2 slots instead of 1 for the same efficiency

and i like something like this get implemented... gives another few bucks for devs and finally make some worthy stuff into module slots and make masterslot worth getting

hell i remember a game that has p2w ammo and p2w consumables yet it was and still is very competitive and there wasnt any way to obtain payed stuff efficiency with not payed... i believe you heard of WoT

so again... i will wait till friday to see it in action (unlike you fellas that get to play the game today evening)

I'm sorry, if you're suggesting that WoT is very competitive for people who don't spend money, then you have to be insane. World of Tanks is the prototypical F2P game gone mad, and is proof positive of why PGI can't introduce this into MWO.

[Flashripper]

Just make C-bill and MC modules identical, and everyone will be happy. The way it is implemented now is clearly Pay-to-Win, and we were told its not gonna happen. And yes, you will lose customers if you continue doing things like that. Whats the point in playing if i can pay to win the match? I was gonna invest more into MWO, but now I will not until C-bill and MC modules are identical.