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[TheSteelRhino]

Josef Nader, on 05 March 2013 - 06:32 AM, said:

I don't have to pay real money to get ECM, chuckles. Would you be okay with ECM being pay-only?

Teir 1 ECM: Hides yourself
Teir 2 ECM: Hides Teammates
Teir 3 ECM: Prevents missile locks

Uhh. U can pay cbills or mc for the consummables. And last time i checked u had to buy ecm one time and keep it forever. Of course i dont run ecm b/c i like a bit of a challenge

J/k. Seriously. This will have less impact than ecm and be less readily available

[Tvae]

Honestly, given the fan reaction, I highly doubt that this plan will follow through. It is clearly apparent it is against the will of the fans, and that if it does happen, that PGI will lose a good chunk of players - something they are likely very keen to avoid. Since they've mentioned this is just an initial design, I foresee it changing greatly before actually being implemented, if it's implemented at all.

...I hope...

(If not, and it does get implemented this way, then ABANDON SHIP!!!)

[General Cheese]

Muahahahha!! I can not wait to load my Cheesecat with coolant pods!

[GumbyC2C]

even if it is pay to win (of which I am unconvinced) then so what? Support the game by spending some dough. Usually, a AAA title is around $50. So if you like the game, buy $50 worth of MC and spend it all on coolant if that's what you like. As for me, my mechs run pretty chill so coolant is just something for people who can't build good mechs to use as a crutch and waste their MC and CB on.

[armyof1]

GumbyC2C, on 05 March 2013 - 08:33 AM, said:

even if it is pay to win (of which I am unconvinced) then so what? Support the game by spending some dough. Usually, a AAA title is around $50. So if you like the game, buy $50 worth of MC and spend it all on coolant if that's what you like. As for me, my mechs run pretty chill so coolant is just something for people who can't build good mechs to use as a crutch and waste their MC and CB on.

I think the point is that a lot of players will not like the game if it goes the P2W route and thus will not buy more MC. That's what.

[Tvae]

GumbyC2C, on 05 March 2013 - 08:33 AM, said:

even if it is pay to win (of which I am unconvinced) then so what? Support the game by spending some dough. Usually, a AAA title is around $50. So if you like the game, buy $50 worth of MC and spend it all on coolant if that's what you like. As for me, my mechs run pretty chill so coolant is just something for people who can't build good mechs to use as a crutch and waste their MC and CB on.

I have, and would like to continue spending money on the game. However, I do not want to have to spend money to remain competitive. It's that simple.

[Protection]

GumbyC2C, on 05 March 2013 - 08:33 AM, said:

even if it is pay to win (of which I am unconvinced) then so what? Support the game by spending some dough. Usually, a AAA title is around $50. So if you like the game, buy $50 worth of MC and spend it all on coolant if that's what you like. As for me, my mechs run pretty chill so coolant is just something for people who can't build good mechs to use as a crutch and waste their MC and CB on.

I'd rather support a game that offered fair competition. If it was not pay 2 win, then free players would be able to use the same highest tier module as MC players.

[CMDR Sunset Shimmer]

Tvae, on 05 March 2013 - 08:38 AM, said:

I have, and would like to continue spending money on the game. However, I do not want to have to spend money to remain competitive. It's that simple.

QFT.

It's this simple... cosmetics, cool things to put on/in your mech, that's all fine, but once your bought choices begin effecting gameplay, you dun goofed son.

[Desenova]

I find it funny that the game is being developed to be as true to the lore as playable as can be, but when consumables come in, it seems unfair, that the rich can buy all the good things and have the shiniest toys, but here's the dilemma and was pointed out when the game was being remade as an MMO - it doesn't matter how good your weapons are if you suck at playing. Sure, you can buy all the good stuff, but if you don't take the time to learn how things work and be good without them, you're just wasting money. And there will be those people, every MMO has them, it's the nature of the genre. But again, this game is more complex than that. This is more than CoD, or even WoW, so much more options are there. Go play some of the older MechWarrior games, like MW3, where salvage was a huge part of the gameplay, have you ever accidentally shot a pile of salvage before? I have, changed the way I played and adapted. Yes, I didn't get the big guns I wanted or as much ammo I needed, but instead I had to be smart. Be strategic when playing, that's what this game is about, not who has the biggest guns or the most features, cause again, if you don't know how to use it - it's as useless as a pilotless mech.

[toxx1790]

My initial take is that the planned implementation of consumables is seriously broken from a p2w perspective.

I'm not one who usually gets up in arms about this, since I don't mind paying but no matter how you slice it, the MC consumable is better than the C-Bills consumable.

Yes, you can stack the two c-bills module, but given the limited module slots, that won't be nearly as good as going with all MC modules.

Now there has to be business reason for people to purchase the MC consumables. How about one or more of the following:

• MC consumables have multiple uses (ie. you buy it and you can use it once per match for 5 matches before you need to buy another)
  
• MC consumables are "cheaper" that C-Bill modules. Ie. it costs 50 MC for a consumable, or 1,000,000 CBills or some other ratio where the MC price is more convenient

[Tarman]

GumbyC2C, on 05 March 2013 - 08:33 AM, said:

even if it is pay to win (of which I am unconvinced) then so what? Support the game by spending some dough. Usually, a AAA title is around $50. So if you like the game, buy $50 worth of MC and spend it all on coolant if that's what you like. As for me, my mechs run pretty chill so coolant is just something for people who can't build good mechs to use as a crutch and waste their MC and CB on.

The paid modules are categorically better than the free ones, in ability and space usage. And it's not about supporting the game, it's about the game turning into an arena where your real finances are a part of your on-field arsenal in every match. The guy with the cash will run consistently better modules and more of them than a free player, because the freeplayer literally cannot use T3 kit. That sends most free players away from a f2p game, thus destroying the content they provide by being seat-fillers at the very least, let alone them becoming new paying players. It also sends away our crowd of esporters, who want fair fights, not "I bought this win" fights.

Edit: Actually it applies to paid players too. It's not just the guy with money, it's the guy with the MOST money.

Edited by Tarman, 05 March 2013 - 08:48 AM.

[Thuzel]

Whether they implement it or not, damage has been done at this point.

Even if they decide to roll it back, why should I invest heavily (through time and/or money) in a game where the designers are clearly willing to go this route?

[VoltarDark]

Please see my thread:
http://mwomercs.com/...-model-for-mwo/

[RANSARI]

Good lord, are you all like dense? This is why PGI doesn't listen a darn to the ECM threads.

Look, go read the bloody Command Chair brief on Consummable and save the QQ-ing for once you actually comprehend it.

Personally, I don't approve of Coolant Flush at all. Heat Management is a core skill for all mechwarriors, and if you're a douche who likes Facehugging people and shutting down in their faces, you deserve to be punished for being an overeager git.

That said, PGI is in the business of being profitable, and profit is what the F2P model is all about. It is in their interest to squeeze every last dollar amount of you, whether it's hero mechs, paint schemes, premium time, and now, consummables.

Now, in theory, consummables should NOT be broken as long as their number of uses is regulated properly. Paul said that the MC bought Coolant Flush Module cools you for 35%, but you can only use it ONCE and have to rebuy it again with MC! C-Bill bought Coolant Flush comes as two Modules which can be stacked together to give you the 35% advantage, and you can use it TWICE per match and restock it with C-Bills.

For once, the math actually adds up and it's the MC Whales who lose in this regard. So stop the crying and brush up on your reading comprehension.

[MadcatX]

Tvae, on 05 March 2013 - 08:30 AM, said:

Honestly, given the fan reaction, I highly doubt that this plan will follow through. It is clearly apparent it is against the will of the fans, and that if it does happen, that PGI will lose a good chunk of players - something they are likely very keen to avoid. Since they've mentioned this is just an initial design, I foresee it changing greatly before actually being implemented, if it's implemented at all.

...I hope...

(If not, and it does get implemented this way, then ABANDON SHIP!!!)

I remember this post, been seeing it's kind pop up whenever something new pops up. Then I'd see "goodbye for good" threads from some vocal posters. Ocassionally I'd see those same players in-game within a few days and when I bring it up in chat, usually get some response such as "I'm just testing something, I'm not REALLY back". My gut tells me there's a bit of bull to their answer.

[Quinton]

folks, no one cares, just go find another game. I know its a sad thing to say but, none of us have any power to make the devs change anything they decide to do. You can put up a thread saying you refuse to pay or play anymore, but PGI wont give a damn, they got thousands of other players. Really, none of us have any way of impacting the game so significantly that they will sit up and listen, so why even bother trying? Look at ECM, hundreds, if not thousands of different players have posted about how bad it is, and NOTHING GETS DONE. Its pretty obvious this game is going in one direction no matter how many people say its the wrong direction.

[CMDR Sunset Shimmer]

well Miss and Vertibi are up... expecting this thread to be locked relatively soon and us to be told to go to the offical "Feedback" thread.

we all know how well that goes over.