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[Koshiro Wraith Michaels]

So, I'm putting together a C3 company, and I've got a Light/Med recon lance, a Heavy Fire Support Lance, and an Assault Command lance. Now, here's my problem: My Fire Support lance is a Slave-Mech short. It's a DC unit, and I'm trying to keep it Circa 3060 or earlier tech. Suggestions?

Addendum: It has to be a Mech chassis that's currently in print. It doesn't have to be the configuration in question, but it does have to be the same chassis. (IE a JR7-D Jenner mini is fine even though I run a JR7-C)

Edited by Koshiro Wraith Michaels, 30 May 2012 - 02:54 AM.

[Sparks Murphey]

What have you got in the lance so far? It would be good to complement your existing 'Mechs.

[Koshiro Wraith Michaels]

Well, I'm still screwing with it, but this is what the list looks like now.

Command Lance:
TSH-7S Taisho (c3M x2)
-HTM-28T Hatamoto Chi
-VTR-9C Victor
-AS7-C Atlas

Recon Lance:
DMO-5K Daimyo (C3M)
-KTO-C Kintaro
-OW-1 Owens
-JR7-C Jenner

Fire Support Lance:
SJA-7D Shugenja (C3M)
-DRG-C Grand Dragon
-DAI-02 Daikyu
-???

If you see anything that could be replaced in there, let me know, too, please.

[Karl Streiger]

The Daikyu 02 came after bulldog
so you have a mech after 3060 - same with the 28T


you have a fast support lance for long range...i think a short range support mech would fit well...5K Crusader? double MRM 30 for the costs of some mobility

Edited by Karl Streiger, 30 May 2012 - 03:23 AM.

[Koshiro Wraith Michaels]

The HTM-28T is after? For some reason I thought it was one of the earlier C3 variants... when was it released? Might switch him out for a HTM-C then... The Daikyu I tossed in because I was running out of ideas for the fire support lance, to be honest, so I could probably stand to switch him out too. The other thing that has been bouncing around a bit in my head is pulling the Kintaro for a WVR-8C Wolverine, if I can find a release year on that variant.

[Arctic Fox]

No, the HTM-28T is introduced in 3059. The DAI-02 shouldn't be too much of a problem since it is introduced in 3060. The CRD-5K, on the other hand, is not introduced until 3063.

I can't really think of a good C3 Slave Heavy fire support 'Mech that is introduced before 3060 at the moment. It seems like the vast majority of those don't show up until the FedCom Civil War or the Jihad...

EDIT: Oh, right.

Koshiro Wraith Michaels, on 30 May 2012 - 03:33 AM, said:

The other thing that has been bouncing around a bit in my head is pulling the Kintaro for a WVR-8C Wolverine, if I can find a release year on that variant.

3067. A bit late.

The Master Unit List has all of the unit availability dates, BTW. It's quite useful.

Edited by Arctic Fox, 30 May 2012 - 03:48 AM.

[Koshiro Wraith Michaels]

Arctic Fox, on 30 May 2012 - 03:40 AM, said:

The Master Unit List has all of the unit availability dates, BTW. It's quite useful.

Oh! Handy! I have generally prided myself on my BT knowledge, but variant release years was that one thing that always tripped me up. Thanks!

[Karl Streiger]

Arctic Fox, on 30 May 2012 - 03:40 AM, said:

The CRD-5K, on the other hand, is not introduced until 3063.

...how could i miss this fact...sry for the misinformation - i'm a child of the civil war...even MRM are 3060 brand new..

However...what you can keep in mind is that the TRO reflect what is available at this date -> maybe some early versions from TRO 3060 could have seen action far earlier...
its the same with RocketLauncher... they are every where in "new" Source Books...only thing you shouldn't do is to mount SSRM or C3 in 2750 or earlier

[Arctic Fox]

True, it's conceivable that early production models could see combat before the official introduction date.

As for a fire support 'Mech, how about the Avatar AV1-OD? Alternatively, if you're not opposed to custom variants, you could take one ton of ammo off the AV1-OB and switch it for a C3 Slave. Since it's an Omni, that shouldn't really be a problem.

[Koshiro Wraith Michaels]

Trying to keep it stock, but what do you think of the CPLT-K5 Catapult? It's listed as 3058

[Karl Streiger]

similar to the Crusader - I suggested earlier...
58 where the MRM introduced - so there is no "unknown" technology

while it hasn't got the speed of your other support units - you have JJs you would need them because of lacking range when closing to enemy you could use the terrain. Or you use it as bodyguard...

Edited by Karl Streiger, 30 May 2012 - 04:18 AM.

[Arctic Fox]

Koshiro Wraith Michaels, on 30 May 2012 - 04:11 AM, said:

Trying to keep it stock, but what do you think of the CPLT-K5 Catapult? It's listed as 3058

Ah, so it is. That would work as well as anything, I think. You could take one of those and switch the Daikyu for the AV1-OD Avatar, since the latter is better equipped for long range combat.

Edited by Arctic Fox, 30 May 2012 - 04:23 AM.

[Koshiro Wraith Michaels]

Karl Streiger, on 30 May 2012 - 04:15 AM, said:

while it hasn't got the speed of your other support units - you have JJs you would need them because of lacking range when closing to enemy you could use the terrain. Or you use it as bodyguard...

Well, the way I worked this all out in my head, being a little slower is okay, because they really only need to be within maximum range. The idea is that the recon lance runs up and feeds target data to the support lance, which then sends the burning death.

Addendum: Looks like I have to have the listing go out to 3061 anyhow, since the linchpin of the whole company is a 3061 vintage mech, and it doesn't look like any other dual C3 system packing Mechs were hanging around at that point either

Edited by Koshiro Wraith Michaels, 30 May 2012 - 04:44 AM.

[Karl Streiger]

What do you want to do versus some medium hunter killer with ECM - they could disconnect your ECM network...rendering your scouts useless. To have some medium range fighters is a good idea.

By the way? Do you really want to use a single Tai-Sho?
it is a medium to long range fighter that could overheat in the thick of battle... next it is a priority target ...kill him and you have two separated lances

Would take 4 Master units at all.
The Naginata is a good support mech, too..
next the Bishamon could be a good scout command mech

Edited by Karl Streiger, 30 May 2012 - 04:47 AM.

[Koshiro Wraith Michaels]

Karl Streiger, on 30 May 2012 - 04:44 AM, said:

What do you want to do versus some medium hunter killer with ECM - they could disconnect your ECM network...rendering your scouts useless. To have some medium range fighters is a good idea.

...weep pitifully, and hope a swarm of angry recon mechs can bring it down. I'd considered a Komodo, but the variants I'd need are a little too far down the timeline.

Karl Streiger, on 30 May 2012 - 04:44 AM, said:

Would take 4 Master units at all.
The Naginata is a good support mech, too..
next the Bishamon could be a good scout command mech

Both of those were actually in my initial listing, but the Naginata I would need didn't show up until '66, and both are hard to find and, as I understand it, out of print.

EDIT: Yeah, the whole purpose of the Command Lance is essentially "Keep the Boss from getting wasted" I personally would have preferred the later version Cyclops or BattleMaster, but I don't know that either of those mechs saw use in the Combine, and they're way too late in the timeline anyhow. I suppose I could switch to a Config 1 company, but then I'd have to find another good assault Mech.

Edited by Koshiro Wraith Michaels, 30 May 2012 - 05:04 AM.

[Arctic Fox]

Koshiro Wraith Michaels, on 30 May 2012 - 04:56 AM, said:

Both of those were actually in my initial listing, but the Naginata I would need didn't show up until '66, and both are hard to find and, as I understand it, out of print.

Iron Wind Metals and Ral Partha Europe both still sell the miniatures for the Naginata and Bishamon, though I think in IWM's case you'd have to pay an archive fee.

Edited by Arctic Fox, 30 May 2012 - 05:07 AM.

[JazzySteel]

If wou wanted a big heavy support mech, why not a Barghest BGS-4T. That heavy Gauss has the hitting power at range to keep enemies plenty honest. 14 tonnes of armor and 86.4 kph are nothing to scoff at, and the Quad Turret allows you to go Belly down behind a nice ridge and make an effective sniper with cover and survivability.

Edited by JazzySteel, 30 May 2012 - 05:19 AM.

[Koshiro Wraith Michaels]

JazzySteel, on 30 May 2012 - 05:18 AM, said:

Barghest BGS-4T.

22 years too late, and I don't believe he's a Combine Mech

[Arctic Fox]

JazzySteel, on 30 May 2012 - 05:18 AM, said:

If wou wanted a big heavy support mech, why not a Barghest BGS-4T. That heavy Gauss has the hitting power at range to keep enemies plenty honest. 14 tonnes of armor and 86.4 kph are nothing to scoff at, and the Quad Turret allows you to go Belly down behind a nice ridge and make an effective sniper with cover and survivability.

That doesn't come into service until 3083. It's also a Lyran 'Mech, I'm not sure how likely you are to find one in the Combine.

EDIT: Ah, beat me to it...

Edited by Arctic Fox, 30 May 2012 - 05:26 AM.

[Karl Streiger]

JazzySteel, on 30 May 2012 - 05:18 AM, said:

If wou wanted a big heavy support mech, why not a Barghest BGS-4T. That heavy Gauss has the hitting power at range to keep enemies plenty honest. 14 tonnes of armor and 86.4 kph are nothing to scoff at, and the Quad Turret allows you to go Belly down behind a nice ridge and make an effective sniper with cover and survivability.

HE CAN'T HAVE A BARGHEST HE'S A SNAKE!!!

No...the BGS-4T is X-Tech and not available before the end of the Jihar-> 3074? ah ok 83
The 4T has a improved gauss, light cockpit turret and run only 64 kph

Koshiro Wraith Michaels, on 30 May 2012 - 04:56 AM, said:

Both of those were actually in my initial listing, but the Naginata I would need didn't show up until '66, and both are hard to find and, as I understand it, out of print.

No my friend this time i'm really sure the Naginata was the first mech with C3-Master first introduced with the TRO 3055

Edited by Karl Streiger, 30 May 2012 - 05:28 AM.