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[MustrumRidcully]

Some may know my balance threads. One of the open questions for me was always - how "accurate" are different weapons?
Unfortunately, there was really no good way to measure it, I am not able to keep track of my accuracy during an intense firefight, and I am too lazy to record my games or watch other people's game records to get an estimate.

But now we have the profile stats page! Now this information no longer is hidden from us!

So, what are your observations? How does your accuracy differ between weapon types?

I haven't had a chance yet to play much, so my stats might still fluctuate a lot, but from playing Jenner and Atlas, I got the following results so far:
AC/20: 64.29 % (14 Shots / 9 Hits)
Medium Laser: 83.68 % (190 Shots / 159 Hits)
SRM 4: 45.36 % (280 Shots / 128 HIts)
SRM 6 (it's actually an SRM 6 with ARTEMIS): 57.14 % (126 Shots / 72 Hits)

So it sems I am really alot more precise with (medium) lasers than with SRMs or AC/20s. The AC/20 result is still unreliable, I suppose, but it could be I will end up being more precise with it than with the SRMs. I'll keep an eye on this, but this is just me - what are your results?

If you don't want to tell the specifics (we don't want this to be an e-peen test, right?), what are the trends you observe? Any surprises? Wildly different from my results?

[aralad]

Have a look at how much damage you did with those medium lasers, my accuracy reads 81.82%, but of the 144 hits I only did 472 damage - a little under 3.3 damage per "hit". That's not 5 damage, so it seems if you catch someone for a half a second it counts as a hit.

I have noticed that the other numbers don't add up. I'm apparently averaging *more* than 10 damage when I hit with an ER-PPC, more than 5 with an UAC5.

[3rdworld]

Lasers have longer firing times. If your shot does immediately hit the enemy, generally you have time to adjust your aim before the beam is over. So it makes sense that lasers would have very high hit ratios. My results with lasers are pretty similar to yours 86.42%

I notice all my direct fire weapons are nearly the exact same hit %. PPC/Gauss/AC-5 etc all are in the mid 50s.

Could be better but I spent most of the evening running snipers, so many of those shots were taken well over 1km.

What is funny. I have a 77% hit rate with Streaks. WAT

Edited by 3rdworld, 06 March 2013 - 11:50 AM.

[MustrumRidcully]

That's an interesting observation. I'll try to keep an eye out. It could be a problem with how they track it, but it could also be a problem with how damage is actually applied. I seem to have heard that the damage transfer system (if a component is destroyed but still takes damage, the damage goes to an adjacent component) might not transfer all damage (as a feature). Then there are missile bay doors that grant damage reduction... SO there are valid reasons for damage not always coming out at 100 %.

The SRM stats at least suggest to me that every single missile is tracked individually. It could be that each "pulse" in a beam is also tracked seperately (190 shots sounds high to me, if you consider the Medium Laser has the same rate of fire as the AC/20. But then, I am using between 2 to 4 medium lasers, and just one AC/20.)

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3rdworld, on 06 March 2013 - 11:49 AM, said:

What is funny. I have a 77% hit rate with Streaks. WAT

Spoiler

Edited by MustrumRidcully, 06 March 2013 - 11:59 AM.

[3rdworld]

aralad, on 06 March 2013 - 11:48 AM, said:

Have a look at how much damage you did with those medium lasers, my accuracy reads 81.82%, but of the 144 hits I only did 472 damage - a little under 3.3 damage per "hit". That's not 5 damage, so it seems if you catch someone for a half a second it counts as a hit.

I have noticed that the other numbers don't add up. I'm apparently averaging *more* than 10 damage when I hit with an ER-PPC, more than 5 with an UAC5.

You would also need to adjust that damage for range. Mediums in particular drop off pretty bad past the 270m.


The damage is strange. Mine are all slightly lower than their stated damage, which I imagine is caused by range.

[Ilwrath]

I have not played much after the patch. 1 in stalker and the rest in m9. The stalker got two med lasers. The rest of them is on the m9 after I changed from 3 PPC's. The PPC hit ratio is pretty bad, mostly because sometimes I fire it as suppression with little hope in hitting. The laser hit ratio is worse than it should be from a hitscan weapon. I guess I have to learn to aim :-/

Awful hit ratio on the stalker missile boat with its one battle.

[Asakara]

I did 14 matches after work last evening. 5 in a Cicada 3M with 2 LL + 2 ML. The remaining 9 were in a Raven 3L with 3 ML + 2 SSRM2s:

[3rdworld]

Some of the spoilers actually made me lol.

Well played sir.

Ilwrath, on 06 March 2013 - 11:57 AM, said:

I have not played much after the patch. 1 in stalker and the rest in m9. The stalker got two med lasers. The rest of them is on the m9 after I changed from 3 PPC's. The PPC hit ratio is pretty bad, mostly because sometimes I fire it as suppression with little hope in hitting. The laser hit ratio is worse than it should be from a hitscan weapon. I guess I have to learn to aim :-/

Awful hit ratio on the stalker missile boat with its one battle.

you shot 840 times in 5 minutes with an LRM 20? It must be counting each missile separately. What is more strange is the damage from your LRMs was only 1.07 per missile/per hit. That means on average LRMs do half as much damage as they should when they register a hit.

Guess we know why sometimes it looks like your LRMs are doing nothing. Then a full volley hits a mech standing still and basically 1 shots them.

Edited by 3rdworld, 06 March 2013 - 12:38 PM.

[Grizley]

There is a little bit of funny business going on with my damage too.

I played about 10 matches yesterday, all in a CTF-3D. My PPCs averaged 10.5 damage and my Gauss 15.2. Maybe it counts ammo explosions triggered by your attacks towards the damage you do or something? Or it's a damage transfer issue?

My accuracy is fairly pathetic, at right around 50% with both. Part of that is due to just spamming PPCs at the start of the match with no target to see how my cooling is on that map, I'm fairly new to the 3D and it's heat is much trickier than Ilya. It also probably doesn't help that most of the time I'm engaging at 800+m and sniping with a priority on ECM mechs. DDC are easy targets but hitting a 3L on the move at 800m... yeah, that I'm still working on. It does give me enormous pleasure to shut down a Ravens ECM and watch him get hammered by LRMs though.

[danust]

ERPPC stats are surprisingly lower than expected. Grouped with an ERLLas and hit rate was 20% lower. Group fire too. Rethinking the ERPPC about now.

[EmeraldSongbird]

Highest is 89.8% with Large Lasers, but I shoot a lot at the beginning of the round so my accuracy stats aren't really... accurate.

[liku]

Weapon
Matches
Fired
Hit
Accuracy
Time Equip.
Damage

AC/20
9
103
65
63.11%
00:39:55
1,324
MEDIUM LASER
29
781
672
86.04%
02:02:44
1,645
LRM 20
1
220
67
30.45%
00:04:13
102
SMALL LASER
10
204
152
74.51%
00:47:47
281
ER PPC
6
106
47
44.34%
00:25:40
450
PPC
2
105
64
60.95%
00:11:31
611
AC/2
1
30
8
26.67%
00:03:07
16
AC/5
3
52
12
23.08%
00:12:45
60
AC/10
15
178
96
53.93%
00:56:08
919
LRM 15
3
1,275
267
20.94%
00:14:06
514
SRM 6
9
558
208
37.28%
00:45:05
434
STREAK SRM 2
3
98
69
70.41%
00:10:47
173
TAG
8
427
164
38.41%
00:32:56
0

Edited by liku, 06 March 2013 - 01:09 PM.

[Skyscream Sapphire]

I played exclusively with medium lasers and an SMR6 pack in my Trebuchet last night.

The lasers came in around 91% accuracy and 3 damage per hit. However, I'm not sure how much of the 2 damage loss was missing (melting the ground while trying to leg lights or pulling off target to avoid FF) versus purposely firing beyond 270m.

The SRMs were definitely being counted per missile. The accuracy on those was about 47%, not too surprising since I tend to miss whole volleys trying to shotgun lights as well as partial misses past point blank due to the SRM6 spread. What is surprising is that I only did 1.9 damage per hit. Bounding box hit errors? Damage not counting after the kill? Partial transfer from already destroyed components? Who knows...buts that's 356.5 damage I've been robbed of.

[Sug]

Anyone know how SRM stats are tracked? If you only hit with one missile does it count as a hit? Or would that be counted as 1 out of 6 possible hits?

[EmCeeMendez]

Sug, on 06 March 2013 - 01:09 PM, said:

Anyone know how SRM stats are tracked? If you only hit with one missile does it count as a hit? Or would that be counted as 1 out of 6 possible hits?

I'm sure it's like LRMs. If 2/6 hit, you have a ratio of 33.33%.

[stjobe]

Sug, on 06 March 2013 - 01:09 PM, said:

Anyone know how SRM stats are tracked? If you only hit with one missile does it count as a hit? Or would that be counted as 1 out of 6 possible hits?

The latter. I have 1,570 fired, and there's no way I can have fired the SRM-6 1,570 times in 7 matches. But divide that by 18 (triple SRM-6 CN9-A) and it becomes 87 volleys, or 12.5 per match - much more likely.

Edit: I realize that wasn't quite what you asked about, but it still stands. I've fired 1,570 individual SRMs, and have hit with a percentage of them, so every SRM-6 is 6 "fired", and 0-6 hits.

Edited by stjobe, 06 March 2013 - 01:18 PM.

[Voidsinger]

Hmmm. I definitely think HSR is at play for me.

Medium Laser Accuracy: 94.28% from 1958 firings

Edited by Voidsinger, 06 March 2013 - 01:24 PM.

[Runenstahl]

I got an amazing 96.14% hit rate with my ML's. That sounds impressive if you don't look at the damage done: 836 damage with 299 hits. It seems I most often DO hit my target... in a very brief way

My LRM's do hit only around 25 %. Seems pretty bad, but then again my enemies often use OP tactics like "cover". How dare they ?

Damage per hit for my weapons (all rounded):
ML 2.80
LRM 20 1.01
ERPPC 10.42
LL 5.52
U AC/5 4.74
LRM 15 1.65
SRM 6 1.99
Streak SRM 2 3.08

Odd that LRM 15 seem to work better then LRM 20. The average streak damage seems too high and like Grizley my ERPPC does a little bit too much damage (wont complain about that).

Edit: had to reword the sentence about the LRM's. Seem if you put the word "hit" directly after "LRM's" (even with a space in between) the filter declares it to be rude.

Edited by Runenstahl, 06 March 2013 - 01:27 PM.

[Teralitha]

Very interesting I decided to to do some number crunching on my stats... only on the weapons that shouldnt have varied damage numbers....

AC20 - 19.1 damage per shot( a bit strange considering this is an all or nothing weapon... shouldnt it be 20 damage per shot?

LRM20 - 1.33333 damage per missle hit(I thought it was spose to be 1.7? Odd considering this is an artemis LRM20)

Guass Rifle - 16 damage per hit(I thought it was 15?)

LRM15 - 1.77 damage per missle.... wow the LRM15 is way better than LRM20, time to dump LRM20's....

ERPPC - 9.86 damage per hit. Hmmm similar to the AC20... a little less than it should.

Edited by Teralitha, 06 March 2013 - 01:45 PM.

[Grizley]

Laser hit numbers are pretty worthless it seems. If you land .1 seconds of a large laser on the target across 3 panels then it's a "hit". It does almost no damage, but it technically hit. For lasers you want to look more at average damage, so if you average 4 damage a hit with medium lasers then you're pretty accurate with medium lasers. If you average 1 damage, then you're not very accurate.

I'm feeling slightly better about my ER PPC accuracy of 50% with a couple more ER PPC/PPC users posting. It could be that it's not so bad for a long range weapon. That would relatively accurately model regular/veteran pilots in TT.

EDIT: Not to pick on Asakara but...

95% hit with medium lasers, 2.5 average damage on a hit. So that would seem to be right about half the max damage. Large Lasers were a little higher at just under 6 damage per hit or 75% of potential damage.

Edited by Grizley, 06 March 2013 - 01:34 PM.