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[Prelude11]

What is wrong with the raven?
I usually melt commandos, spiders, jenners and cicadas with a "fews" shoots if i hit them, but ravens are really tough!

On the paper they have just 238 armor, but i just hit a 3L with 4 gauss shot and it was only orange on the torso, and yellow on one shoulder.
Or, i saw a raven take 3 ER PPC, 2 large laser and go away in only yellow status.

I think the mech have some problems with the hitboxes, what do you think ?

[Kunae]

Known, at least by anyone who's ever shot at one.

[EmeraldSongbird]

PGI tuned up the netcode a little more yes, but the Raven hitbox is definitely still a little off. People say the legs are alright but I drilled 80 damage worth of medium lasers and SRMs into a single leg while it was powered down one time, and the leg was not destroyed. I'm not sure what is wrong there, but they are irritating.

Edited by Doobles, 07 March 2013 - 09:40 AM.

[Joseph Mallan]

I had the feeling about Wolfhounds on TT. We fired on one with, 4 heavies and 2 Mediums, hitting with a lot. and it defied us for 2.5 turns!

[Prelude11]

Is like shoting a medium mech

[Biplane]

Also: it seems to be limited to 3L's. Speaking as a Raven pilot. I go critical torso much, much quicker in my 2X every time, whereas my 3L has taken multiple gauss round salvos and not even had it's armor completely gone.

[MuonNeutrino]

I'm not sure if it's only that the 3L's hitboxes are bugged from the other ravens, or whether it's also partially because the lagshield is worse for them since they can have bigger engines, but yeah, there's definitely something weird about 3Ls. They can just take WAY too much punishment.

Last night I had a 2X harassing my catapult while I was trying to shoot an atlas. I turned around, shot his leg with 4 large lasers, and it ACTUALLY BLEW OFF. I then shot the other leg, and guess what? IT BLEW OFF TOO. That never happens with 3Ls, even when you catch them not moving for some reason and they're stationary targets.

[Thuzel]

The hitboxes still feel wonky. I've heard that they're looking into it, but I haven't seen anything concrete.

[Ngamok]

The only time I've never noticed their wonky hit boxes is when I am in my K2 with 2x AC/20.

[armyof1]

I think the combination of high speed and minimal hitboxes has lead to some weird damage-spreading antics with the R3L, even when you're hitting it with PPC or ballistics. The ridiculously thin CT of the Raven really needs to be fixed. The Jenners CT is about 3 times as big and they're both supposed to be light mechs.

Edited by armyof1, 07 March 2013 - 10:55 AM.

[Co Ward]

Joseph Mallan, on 07 March 2013 - 09:41 AM, said:

I had the feeling about Wolfhounds on TT. We fired on one with, 4 heavies and 2 Mediums, hitting with a lot. and it defied us for 2.5 turns!

reminds me of the wolverine from TT. my brothers and i would play a lance each and do a 3 way fight with equal weight for each lance deployed however we wanted. I would always take a wolverine because for some reason it would live through every fight we had. Go toe-to-toe with an atlas? sure, np. 3 lights circling and lighting him up, walks out still mostly effective. I dont know why it happened this way but it always did.

[Odins Fist]

My favorite was getting the old (4 FPS BUG) that I don't get anymore, but I had a 32 ping,I was told to stay back at base to defend so I did, didn't move an inch.. The match was a very good one from what I could tell, it came down to a Cataphract on my team and a Raven out in the water on Forest Colony.. The Cataphract lost that fight, and halfway through the match people who had died and were spectating kept typing in "No Way, how is he still alive?" (talking about the Raven), I didn't think anything of it..
Now fast forward to the Cataphract dying, and only my Atlas-RS left at base... The other team still had people spectating their "BOY" in the Raven, and they were typing in LOL and Ha Ha, no biggy, but the cat wasn't out of the bag, "MY" team said "We have a DC in Base, kill him and get it over with please" (I wasn't DC ), and my FPS got a little better after most of the Mechs on the field were dead... The Raven at this point only had I think I remember, (3) Medium Lasers left, no Streaks...
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The Raven rolls in straight up the side path, I see him he's only Yellow for damage and one leg slightly orange (still has armor all the way around, and I drop a (4) Medium Lasers (1) Gauss, and (2) Srm6+Artemis "ALPHA" directly to his face, massive hit right, nope he lit up, but didn't change from yellow, not one shade... He tried to circle me, and the oil rig in the center of base for cover, I backed up against the wall, he stood behind the oil rig thing, and I blasted his legs (the were exposed), and result was no damage, oh he lit up, but didn't get hurt... This game of peekaboo, and circle the Atlas went on for a solid 2 minutes, and the chat was ablaze with "What the F---", and "no way, I saw that hit him". I leveled at least 3 "Alphas" that hit that Raven, not counting the (4) Medium Laser hits that I "CONSISTANTLY" hit that raven with while he was running around, when he ran into the oil rig etc, etc, etc.. One time he was standing still for a brief second after going too far past his cover at the oil rig, and a gauss and 2 Srm6 landed solid, result, the Raven is still yellow .
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I lost an arm eventually I was using it as a shield, he made a pass (just like the previous passes), and as he went by I hit him with 2Srm6+Artemis and he folded, he was still yellow everywhere, still had Armor all the way around, and that hit killed him?? I had hit him the same way, and angle many times before..!!
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I was leading the raven, landing hits left and right, waiting for the perfect shot, etc, etc, etc, I wasn't freaking out, and only overheated once, he couldn't take advantage of it though, he was behind the oil rig after a manuever, and didn't realize I had shut down... I know what you're going to say, but I was more than confident that I would kill him quickly, I wasn't freaking out,
I have killed a hundred Ravens before, I wasn't concerned a bit, until it was obvious that something wasn't right..
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After the match my damage read 324..?? Wait a minute, I only fought that (1) Raven..?? My good friend that was spectating, and in TS told me he had a rough calculation of damage that he had seen hit the raven that equaled 365, then he subtracted what would have missed from the (2) Srm6+artemis, and he wound up with 325, and said that it was really odd that his calculations (even being rough) by only what he physically saw hit the Raven would be so close to what the match stats said happened, and I said "wait a minute, a Raven doesn't have that much Armor", but he said I have to calculate the internals, to which I replied, and he did at the same time, "I saw that Raven take hits to the same spot over, and over, and over, and over again", and he also stated that he saw the Raven take massive hits when stopped twice, then strikes head on, and from behind , it just didn't make sense, and neither did the damage total, it would take a miracle to hit seperately every single point of armor on a Mech, and I don't care who you are... I had gotten the (4 FPS Bug) many times before and killed mechs with no issue.
Oh well, I just said "they need to fix that"..
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On a side note, I once put 2 solid "Alphas" into a Raven at 100 meters that was staionary behind a teammate one round, when he had stopped on two seperate occasions trying to get him from behind (2 total Alphas), and saw no result in damage..
Yeah, something has been rotten in Denmark for a while now. With all that said, Ravens are not unkillable, LOL, and I think that packet loss has a whole lot to do with it, not ours but the Ravens packet loss, and by that I mean the individual, not the Mech.

Edited by Odins Fist, 07 March 2013 - 12:23 PM.

[SuomiWarder]

Agreed. I have had Raven 3Ls overheat or simply stand still shooting at me and I center hit them with 4 ER Large lasers, or a ER PPC and 3 mediums, and other weapons and it registers very little damage.

They are not registering damage like they should.

[Ralgas]

fixes are coming, the hitboxes are known to be bugged, and state rewind still has to be applied to projectile weps/ppc's (they are still affected by lagshield). Netcode tunes are still being added every patch.

That said, they are a LOT more fragile already than 2 months ago........

[AnnoyingCat]

i eat ravens for breakfast

[Scorcher One]

Use a Cicada 3M. It's faster than any Raven 3L, has better Armor and, if you are able to pilot it -, it's the death for any Raven, Jenner or Spider.

[silentD11]

Trishena, on 07 March 2013 - 12:38 PM, said:

Use a Cicada 3M. It's faster than any Raven 3L, has better Armor and, if you are able to pilot it -, it's the death for any Raven, Jenner or Spider.

So it goes 150.2? The Raven's whole thing is that the speed at which it moves and it's buggy hitbox makes it a crap shot of where you hit.

[Enig]

Doobles, on 07 March 2013 - 09:40 AM, said:

People say the legs are alright but I drilled 80 damage worth of medium lasers and SRMs into a single leg while it was powered down one time, and the leg was not destroyed.

This is biggest load of ******** I've read in a long time.

[Phoenix Gray]

Odins Fist, on 07 March 2013 - 11:55 AM, said:

My favorite was getting the old (4 FPS BUG) that I don't get anymore, but I had a 32 ping,I was told to stay back at base to defend so I did, didn't move an inch.. The match was a very good one from what I could tell, it came down to a Cataphract on my team and a Raven out in the water on Forest Colony.. The Cataphract lost that fight, and halfway through the match people who had died and were spectating kept typing in "No Way, how is he still alive?" (talking about the Raven), I didn't think anything of it..
Now fast forward to the Cataphract dying, and only my Atlas-RS left at base... The other team still had people spectating their "BOY" in the Raven, and they were typing in LOL and Ha Ha, no biggy, but the cat wasn't out of the bag, "MY" team said "We have a DC in Base, kill him and get it over with please" (I wasn't DC ), and my FPS got a little better after most of the Mechs on the field were dead... The Raven at this point only had I think I remember, (3) Medium Lasers left, no Streaks...
.
The Raven rolls in straight up the side path, I see him he's only Yellow for damage and one leg slightly orange (still has armor all the way around, and I drop a (4) Medium Lasers (1) Gauss, and (2) Srm6+Artemis "ALPHA" directly to his face, massive hit right, nope he lit up, but didn't change from yellow, not one shade... He tried to circle me, and the oil rig in the center of base for cover, I backed up against the wall, he stood behind the oil rig thing, and I blasted his legs (the were exposed), and result was no damage, oh he lit up, but didn't get hurt... This game of peekaboo, and circle the Atlas went on for a solid 2 minutes, and the chat was ablaze with "What the F---", and "no way, I saw that hit him". I leveled at least 3 "Alphas" that hit that Raven, not counting the (4) Medium Laser hits that I "CONSISTANTLY" hit that raven with while he was running around, when he ran into the oil rig etc, etc, etc.. One time he was standing still for a brief second after going too far past his cover at the oil rig, and a gauss and 2 Srm6 landed solid, result, the Raven is still yellow .
.
I lost an arm eventually I was using it as a shield, he made a pass (just like the previous passes), and as he went by I hit him with 2Srm6+Artemis and he folded, he was still yellow everywhere, still had Armor all the way around, and that hit killed him?? I had hit him the same way, and angle many times before..!!
.
I was leading the raven, landing hits left and right, waiting for the perfect shot, etc, etc, etc, I wasn't freaking out, and only overheated once, he couldn't take advantage of it though, he was behind the oil rig after a manuever, and didn't realize I had shut down... I know what you're going to say, but I was more than confident that I would kill him quickly, I wasn't freaking out,
I have killed a hundred Ravens before, I wasn't concerned a bit, until it was obvious that something wasn't right..
.
After the match my damage read 324..?? Wait a minute, I only fought that (1) Raven..?? My good friend that was spectating, and in TS told me he had a rough calculation of damage that he had seen hit the raven that equaled 365, then he subtracted what would have missed from the (2) Srm6+artemis, and he wound up with 325, and said that it was really odd that his calculations (even being rough) by only what he physically saw hit the Raven would be so close to what the match stats said happened, and I said "wait a minute, a Raven doesn't have that much Armor", but he said I have to calculate the internals, to which I replied, and he did at the same time, "I saw that Raven take hits to the same spot over, and over, and over, and over again", and he also stated that he saw the Raven take massive hits when stopped twice, then strikes head on, and from behind , it just didn't make sense, and neither did the damage total, it would take a miracle to hit seperately every single point of armor on a Mech, and I don't care who you are... I had gotten the (4 FPS Bug) many times before and killed mechs with no issue.
Oh well, I just said "they need to fix that"..
.
On a side note, I once put 2 solid "Alphas" into a Raven at 100 meters that was staionary behind a teammate one round, when he had stopped on two seperate occasions trying to get him from behind (2 total Alphas), and saw no result in damage..
Yeah, something has been rotten in Denmark for a while now. With all that said, Ravens are not unkillable, LOL, and I think that packet loss has a whole lot to do with it, not ours but the Ravens packet loss, and by that I mean the individual, not the Mech.

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[RavensScar]

Yeah, glad it's not just me. Got slaughtered by a 3L lance on Alpine a while back. I was a little way out of the fray when one of them overheated, so I put four good PPC hits into its torso. Plenty of time to line up the shots, but nothing destroyed. I was slightly side-on, so I was expecting to take off an arm, or take out a side-torso, but that thing just powered up and kept going.