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[skullman86]

So I thought I would give the flamer a shot and I noticed something that may be part of a bigger problem with heat generation in general or maybe I'm missing something here.

When doing continuous fire with the flamer, it has a cap on how much heat it generates, and that is fine (equipment is only going to get so hot), but the heat cap resets when you stop and resume firing again. This is what seems wrong to me. My mech is cooling down and when I start shooting that flamer again, I don't see why it should create any more heat than it did the first time.

EX: Say my continuous use of the flamer raises my mech's heat to 30% and then levels out. I let the flamer rest for a few seconds to lower my mech's heat level, then I use it again (not fully cooled down) and the heat begins to go well above 30% this time.

Shouldn't my heat level out at 30% again? I'm not generating any more heat than I did the last time and my mech's ability to dissipate said heat hasn't changed either, so what's the deal?

Edited by skullman86, 07 March 2013 - 05:12 PM.

[kevin roshak]

If it capped out at 30% when you started firing, presumably at 0% heat, it went up 30%.
Now when you start firing again, say once you have cooled to 20% heat, it will go up to 50%

[Sable Dove]

Flamers appear to generate the stated heat (0.6 per second), plus each flamer increases heat by a flat, constant amount (~10%), effectively lowering your max heat capacity while firing.
This is balanced by... pathetic damage, and minuscule heat generated on the target (0.2 per second).

Yeah, they really got the flamers wrong. It generates three times as much heat for you as it does the target, and reduces your maximum heat capacity. They literally hurt you more than the target.

I think heat is dissipated more slowly as your heat rises as well. If I fire flamers while at low heat, they level out, but with ~50% heat and higher, firing the same number of flamers will cause my heat to increase.

[skullman86]

kevin roshak, on 07 March 2013 - 05:15 PM, said:

If it capped out at 30% when you started firing, presumably at 0% heat, it went up 30%.
Now when you start firing again, say once you have cooled to 20% heat, it will go up to 50%

but if it capped at 30% that means my mech was able to dissipate the heat, so adding the exact same amount of heat shouldn't bring it above the original 30% because heat doesn't stack.

EX: I take an object at 300 degrees and put it with an object at 200 degrees, the ambient temperature doesn't go to 500 degrees, the two objects average out or stay at the hottest present temperature (depending on the circumstances).

That being said, after doing some playing around in the testing grounds I'm not all too sure how the cap works or if it even exists because my heat was constantly going up. There appeared to be a cap in the handful of live games I played, but in testing grounds it only appeared to have a cap until I started using my laser and then after that the flamer would never level out (even when firing from 0%); I would just continue to generate heat until shutdown.

Edited by skullman86, 07 March 2013 - 06:25 PM.

[urmamasllama]

heat mechanics in this game don't really follow heat and mechanics (see what i did there)

[Misunderstood Miscommunication]

I am with the OP. If this has changed then its probably a bug. I should know, Ive played a hell of alot in a 9 flamer Hunchback. I dont remember the exact heat but it would put it somewhere up in the mid 40% of heat. It would then start cooling down and get under that original number. Then if I used it again, even just tapping it once, would cause it to only go back up to that original mid 40%. It would never go above that mid 40% number unless I held it down for a bit (which obviously raises your heat). That wouldnt make any sense for the heat to stack... That would mean if you just tapped your flamer like 4-5 times you are instantly overheating. You didnt even do anything to cause heat to heat anything up, you just tapped it a few times. That shouldnt overheat or even come close to overheating you.

Edited by Misunderstood Miscommunication, 07 March 2013 - 07:13 PM.